wrighty Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, quilp said: I think like the others on here you didn't read the link to the Brighton and Hove model and its intentions. Parents who fail to comply face being relieved of their oversight by social services and police. If this is the direction things are heading the ideology must be vigorously opposed. I read some of the links, but I admit not all of them. If you could re-post to save me trawling the entire thread I will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, wrighty said: I read some of the links, but I admit not all of them. If you could re-post to save me trawling the entire thread I will. I shall. There's only one I would like you to digest. Give me a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/ Loss of authority over ones own kids. The comments section is in general outrage over the proposal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) I think the Telegraph headline is sensationalist. The body of the article makes it sound like much more than saying “you can’t wear a skirt”. It needs to be a cause of “significant concern about the child’s wellbeing and or safety”. Edited December 22, 2018 by Declan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, quilp said: The comments section is in general outrage over the proposal... The comments section under every story at The Telegraph is outraged. The Telegraph is for angry kippers these days. Posh people are no longer the readership. The Telegraph today seems written to create comment outrage. It's surely about traffic which they can sell to advertisers. That why so many of their sub headings pose questions - and why so many of the articles are deliberately provocative or pose simplistic either / or scenarios. They got rid of some of the staff writers and correspondents over the past few years. I'm guessing it's increasingly written by freelancers paid a bonus for clicks. Edited December 21, 2018 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Never thought I would see it happen here, but there is a boy, at I think what was Murry's Road School, who wears a dress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, pongo said: The comments section under every story at The Telegraph is outraged. The Telegraph is for angry kippers these days. Posh people are no longer the readership. The Telegraph today seems written to create comment outrage. It's surely about traffic which they can sell to advertisers. That why so many of their sub headings pose questions - and why so many of the articles are deliberately provocative or pose simplistic either / or scenarios. They got rid of some of the staff writers and correspondents over the past few years. I'm guessing it's increasingly written by freelancers paid a bonus for clicks. Good analysis. I read the Telegraph for years; not because I’m Tory, or even right of centre, I’m neither, but simply because it was a thoughtful, well-informed, well written newspaper. No longer; it’s trashy, trouble-making, pseudo-Trump rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 14 hours ago, quilp said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/ Loss of authority over ones own kids. The comments section is in general outrage over the proposal... I read that one. Like others have said it does seem to be over-sensationalised. They’re presenting the ‘militant trans’ view as if it’s chapter and verse on the matter, when the reality will likely be more balanced, along the lines of what I posted earlier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Maybe we should just take heed of the bad news. Not judge it by the deliverer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 But if the deliverer is unreliable and the news sensationalised and exaggerated then how do you know the news is bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Declan said: But if the deliverer is unreliable and the news sensationalised and exaggerated then how do you know the news is bad? If parents are castigated for not letting their male child wear a skirt, then it does not matter who reports this in the press. It is wrong to have a go at the parents in the first place. The world is getting more insane by the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, dilligaf said: If parents are castigated for not letting their male child wear a skirt, then it does not matter who reports this in the press. It is wrong to have a go at the parents in the first place. The world is getting more insane by the day. But the reason we’re questioning the reporting is because it provides no evidence that is happening. You’ve got your knickers (or gender appropriate garment) in a twist because of the headline however even that says parents “may be” reported. But the body of the article says they’d only be reported if there was significant concern about the child’s safety as welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Declan said: But the reason we’re questioning the reporting is because it provides no evidence that is happening. You’ve got your knickers (or gender appropriate garment) in a twist because of the headline however even that says parents “may be” reported. But the body of the article says they’d only be reported if there was significant concern about the child’s safety as welfare. So as long as the confused child is feeling safe he can be a she? Is that what you mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Declan said: You’ve got your knickers (or gender appropriate garment) in a twist He's got his once white but long since yellowing y-fronts with some curious stubborn stains in them in a twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, La Colombe said: He's got his once white but long since yellowing y-fronts with some curious stubborn stains in them in a twist. You are one weird specimen. Does it not bother you that you may remain single for EVER.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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