Chris C Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 5:42 PM, woody2 said: uk- 0% today..........china 75%..........and building more coal fired stations....... To make virtually every manufactured product consumed in the UK today, which is also a major reason for the reduction in UK emissions since 1990. The other being "creative " accounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 9:00 PM, the stinking enigma said: I hardly think the overstuffed right wing stiffs that inhabit msnxforums are the target audience here. Sadly other equally ignorant people are. The golden goose of economic growth will prevail. At least these people have brought attention to the idea that GDP is a very poor measure of human welfare and very much more fundamental action is required to address the problem. This is never going to popular in a tax haven, and as some of the "natural cycle" bollocks spouted on this thread shows, the fat fingers of greed are already beginning to tighten their grip on the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Chris C said: To make virtually every manufactured product consumed in the UK today, which is also a major reason for the reduction in UK emissions since 1990. The other being "creative " accounting. impact on imported products to the uk from china on chinese co2 levels is 0.00001% since 1990....... chinese co2 levels have increased 450% since 1990....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Chris C said: Sadly other equally ignorant people are. The golden goose of economic growth will prevail. At least these people have brought attention to the idea that GDP is a very poor measure of human welfare and very much more fundamental action is required to address the problem. This is never going to popular in a tax haven, and as some of the "natural cycle" bollocks spouted on this thread shows, the fat fingers of greed are already beginning to tighten their grip on the status quo. the british isles isn't the problem on world terms...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, woody2 said: the british isles isn't the problem on world terms...... The Isle of Man even less so. Won't stop grandiose posturing from our intellectually challenged politicians wanting to justify keeping busy, getting their face in the paper and flying off to 'green' conferences though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 UK is 5th largest cumulative emitter. Considering the size of our population individually inhabitants of the British Isles have disproportionately benefited from the economic benefits of hydrocarbon fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Bobster Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chinahand said: UK is 5th largest cumulative emitter. Considering the size of our population individually inhabitants of the British Isles have disproportionately benefited from the economic benefits of hydrocarbon fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chinahand said: UK is 5th largest cumulative emitter. Considering the size of our population individually inhabitants of the British Isles have disproportionately benefited from the economic benefits of hydrocarbon fuels. that isn't in the atmosphere.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Woody, CO2 once released will continuously move between the atmosphere and the wider ecosystem. It takes well over 300 years for that process to end with the permanent sequestration in a non biodegradable sink. Until that happens the CO2 is affecting the atmosphere either directly or via exchange with other CO2 in the ecosystem. Basically all the UK’s emissions are still influencing the atmosphere and contributing to the 400 ppm levels we are experiencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Leaving aside co2 released from within fossil fuels etc, roughly how much co2 is made/synthesized per year to carbonate fizzy drinks etc? Is all this sort of stuff taken into account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Chinahand said: Woody, CO2 once released will continuously move between the atmosphere and the wider ecosystem. It takes well over 300 years for that process to end with the permanent sequestration in a non biodegradable sink. Until that happens the CO2 is affecting the atmosphere either directly or via exchange with other CO2 in the ecosystem. Basically all the UK’s emissions are still influencing the atmosphere and contributing to the 400 ppm levels we are experiencing. not according to the climate change nutters.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said: Leaving aside co2 released from within fossil fuels etc, roughly how much co2 is made/synthesized per year to carbonate fizzy drinks etc? Is all this sort of stuff taken into account? its guesswork not fact...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Chinahand said: UK is 5th largest cumulative emitter. Considering the size of our population individually inhabitants of the British Isles have disproportionately benefited from the economic benefits of hydrocarbon fuels. Would you mind linking where that data comes from, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Chinahand said: UK is 5th largest cumulative emitter. Considering the size of our population individually inhabitants of the British Isles have disproportionately benefited from the economic benefits of hydrocarbon fuels. Is this graph still valid though China? I would have thought that the steps taken in the UK and elsewhere over the past fourteen years would have reduced our CO2 emissions quite considerably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: Leaving aside co2 released from within fossil fuels etc, roughly how much co2 is made/synthesized per year to carbonate fizzy drinks etc? Is all this sort of stuff taken into account? You may remember the great carbon dioxide shortage of Summer 2018. (It didn't last very long, but nothing stops the British from having a good panic). It turned out that the carbon dioxide used in food and drink manufacture is a by-product of the manufacture of ammonia which is then used to make fertiliser. So using it in fizzy drinks etc is not adding anything extra directly[1] to the atmosphere - it's actually delaying its release slightly. [1] The extra energy needed to extract, hold and transport the carbon dioxide before use might of course cause more to be made, depending on how it is generated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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