Amadeus Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Table at the bottom of this page may interest some: https://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/bus-and-rail/heritage-railways/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Here’s the Manx Independent front page for non IOMG view - http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=53515&headline=In this week's Manx Independent: Our birth rate has dropped much faster than our neighbours'§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 A chap on twitter had calculated that the taxpayers subsidise every single passenger journey on the heritage railways to the tune of around £26.00 ! When we were awash with cash that probably wasn't a big issue, however it is now a nonsense ! It will be justified by the Teare method of the hidden rewards of intangibles, or bullshit as I like to call them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, asitis said: A chap on twitter had calculated that the taxpayers subsidise every single passenger journey on the heritage railways to the tune of around £26.00 ! I suspect it will be a lot more than that soon....when their share of the pension deficit gets added in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Ah, but when the prom is finished.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 They'd make world class cycle routes. Just as many people would use them, probably many more. And they would cost far less money to operate and maintain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: Table at the bottom of this page may interest some: https://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/bus-and-rail/heritage-railways/ The last 10 years data would be of more use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Amadeus said: Table at the bottom of this page may interest some: https://www.gov.im/categories/travel-traffic-and-motoring/bus-and-rail/heritage-railways/ Even if you take the horse trams last year as an anomaly they’re still 120,000 passengers down. It’s as I’d expect it to be. The steam railway will always have its contingent of middle aged, unmarried, anorak wearing, weirdos to keep the numbers going relatively steady. But the MER is just a complete waste of money as nobody wants to catch piles sitting in an open tram for an hour or more. They should just run it to Snaefell if at all. No wonder they’re trying to secretly put the MER out over the prom to try to create a potential commuter system otherwise the entire line would eventually have no use or practical application at all and is already clearly now very unpopular as a tourist attraction. But Longworth couldn’t possibly tolerate someone taking some of his loss making train set off him so he’s had to create the whole prom farce so try to lessen the likelihood of that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Even if you take the horse trams this year as an anomaly they’re still 120,000 passengers down. It’s as I’d expect it to be. The steam railway will always have its contingent of middle aged, unmarried, anorak wearing, weirdos to keep the numbers going relatively steady. But the MER is just a complete waste of money as nobody wants to catch piles sitting in an open tram for an hour or more. They should just run it to Snaefell if at all. No wonder they’re trying to secretly put the MER out over the prom to try to create a potential commuter system otherwise the entire line would have no use or practical application at all and is clearly now very unpopular as a tourist attraction. But Longworth couldn’t possibly tolerate someone taking some of his train set off him. And presumably those numbers include the cruise passengers? If they do then there's clearly something wrong. It can't just be down to a lack of visitors. Is the ticket pricing right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 The sooner all of the Heritage transport systems are moved over to the 3rd/volunteer sector the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: And presumably those numbers include the cruise passengers? If they do then there's clearly something wrong. It can't just be down to a lack of visitors. Is the ticket pricing right? I think it’s lack of interest. Has any cruise passenger got time to mess about on the MER to Ramsey for at least 3 1/2 hours on a half day lay off in the IOM ignoring ticket costs? Has anyone else got the time to be bothered to go any further than Laxey either? The MER is too long, takes too long, and the weather is often not conducive to a pleasant ride. The steam trains are a bigger draw too and on a day trip (or even if you have a couple of days) you generally can’t do both. The MER should run to Snaefell from Laxey as a heritage feature and everywhere else just reclaim the track to widen the roads, or put environmentally friendly cycle ways and walking routes in. This is why in my mind half of this prom farce has happened, they have to find another application for the trams as ticket sales indicate that the tourists clearly aren’t interested and viability is going to be questioned at some stage. Then they can pretend it’s an essential commuter route and as luck would have it the horse tram tracks can take electric trams and even the electric signaling is already installed. Who’d have guessed they’d be so lucky given the prom project specifically excluded making provision to extend the MER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: And presumably those numbers include the cruise passengers? If they do then there's clearly something wrong. It can't just be down to a lack of visitors. Is the ticket pricing right? the ticket numbers will be correct for the people that were actually given tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: I think it’s lack of interest. Has any cruise passenger got time to mess about on the MER to Ramsey for at least 3 1/2 hours on a half day lay off in the IOM ignoring ticket costs? Has anyone else got the time to be bothered to go any further than Laxey either? The MER is too long, takes too long, and the weather is often not conducive to a pleasant ride. The steam trains are a bigger draw too and on a day trip (or even if you have a couple of days) you generally can’t do both. The MER should run to Snaefell from Laxey as a heritage feature and everywhere else just reclaim the track to widen the roads, or put environmentally friendly cycle ways and walking routes in. This is why in my mind half of this prom farce has happened, they have to find another application for the trams as ticket sales indicate that the tourists clearly aren’t interested and viability is going to be questioned at some stage. Then they can pretend it’s an essential commuter route and as luck would have it the horse tram tracks can take electric trams and even the electric signaling is already installed. Who’d have guessed they’d be so lucky given the prom project specifically excluded making provision to extend the MER! I can see a massive car park being built on the Summerland site (incorporating the dual purpose tram terminus) to encourage/force folk to park and travel by a modern version of MER into town. Which kind of makes sense but only if the pricing is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxberry Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I think you'll find that the numbers can be bolstered quite rapidly when there is a need to show how many journeys have been made Ticket income is probably your best bet to uncover what's really going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Manxberry said: I think you'll find that the numbers can be bolstered quite rapidly when there is a need to show how many journeys have been made Ticket income is probably your best bet to uncover what's really going on there. Actually, even a simple P&L would suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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