Non-Believer Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Way too much of an outsider, regardless of quals, race, age or religion. My money's on Crookall and Henderson getting back in as the establishment's preferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Way too much of an outsider, regardless of quals, race, age or religion. My money's on Crookall and Henderson getting back in as the establishment's preferred. Cregeen might want a boost up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Cregeen might want a boost up yet. He can piss off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Cregeen might want a boost up yet. Could well be. He's the current "Father of the House", isn't he, in respect of longevity? Which will be his only qualification. He would be scrutinising legislation. With his background? But any ability in that would be a secondary consideration to malleability and gullibility, which would be the primary movers, for an entrenching establishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Could well be. He's the current "Father of the House", isn't he, in respect of longevity? Which will be his only qualification. He would be scrutinising legislation. With his background? But any ability in that would be a secondary consideration to malleability and gullibility, which would be the primary movers, for an entrenching establishment. The Keys could vote him up just to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: The Keys could vote him up just to get rid of him. It's not truly getting "rid" though, is it? It's effectively promoting him (with commensurate salary) but keeping him within the club. Despite what's currently going on with DESC. Keeping him would serve many purposes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: It's not truly getting "rid" though, is it? It's effectively promoting him (with commensurate salary) but keeping him within the club. Despite what's currently going on with DESC. Keeping him would serve many purposes... None of which would be beneficial to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, John Wright said: She is older than Peter Karran and a similar age to David Cretney when first elected You can't compare first time entry as MLC to an MHK who will have traipsed round the streets begging for votes. And in the case of Peter Karran he tried previously before getting elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Neil Down said: None of which would be beneficial to us In all and realistic honesty, based upon the current crop of present serving MLCs and the current crop of retiring and up for election MLCs, would anyone say that anyone one of them are of beneficial use, and up to to the job? I would say they are basically establishment stooges, friends of MHKs, ex civil servants labouring under the Manx illusions of self entitlement. I think in a way it’s a form of cronyism and nepotism. At least with standing to be an elected MHK, there is an element of skill - being scrutinised by ones peers - even if the voters make a complete dogs breakfast of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: Cregeen might want a boost up yet. I wondered about that as well. He introduced a motion in last week's Keys (ie 28 January) to try to change the way the voting was done[1]. Obviously this failed as it would have made the process slightly less silly (he wanted to restrict the number of votes to the number of vacancies) and that goes against the rule that every LegCo election should be done in an even dafter way than previously. But it did suggest he was looking at the process more closely than he might normally. [1] The whole debate is worth reading if only for the concentrated stupidity with which both sides of the argument deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Non-Believer said: It's not truly getting "rid" though, is it? It's effectively promoting him (with commensurate salary) but keeping him within the club. Despite what's currently going on with DESC. Keeping him would serve many purposes... It'll be getting rid of his influence over policy. He won't be able to be a minister anymore and he won't take part in keys sittings. As for Legco being a promotion they're trying, unsuccessfully IMO, to reduce the power and potentially the pay of Legco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 9 hours ago, maynragh said: And there was me thinking she looked like the best of the bunch. I'm clearly out of touch. she probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: It'll be getting rid of his influence over policy. He won't be able to be a minister anymore and he won't take part in keys sittings. As for Legco being a promotion they're trying, unsuccessfully IMO, to reduce the power and potentially the pay of Legco. 1. Tynwald debates and approves policy, not the keys. He’d still be a member. 2. Nothing to stop him being a minister in LegCo, vide Tim. 3. I agree that keys have been trying to emasculate LegCo for 20+ years, Lisvane didn’t understand this. It’s why they won’t allow direct elections. And trying to back one constituent part of our legislature into the corner of opposition isn’t sensible or workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 1 hour ago, John Wright said: And trying to back one constituent part of our legislature into the corner of opposition isn’t sensible or workable. what about this government set up is sensible or workable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I've no issue with anyone's Faith but that young lady's employment record doesn't impress me. A lot of jobs with only being in tenure for a short amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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