Mr Newbie Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Derek Flint said: Well I haven't read it but the front page of the Indy is claiming THREE cops broke lockdown and were given warnings. My sources have since told me that at least one - who holds supervisory rank, was given a fixed penalty notice. Professional standards really do seem to be at a low, presently. Nobody is that surprised. Same as all the people rushed before the court and chucked in Jurby. Some arrogant twats who thought they’d been handed the keys to the island under emergency powers. Don’t do as I do, do as I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, 2112 said: Professional standards may pick up once the current chief constable retires. A new CC who can focus on the job, the force and the islands community, rather than focusing and sucking up to the islands politico’s, and tweetbeat accounts Wouldn’t bet on it, seeing the standards of those presently beneath the Chief and likely to be in the running when he goes. Another UK Chief in the style of Langdon is needed with a clean slate, the power to upset the status quo within the Force, and with no ongoing friendships and favours that need to be repaid with backslaps, unnecessary and unwarranted promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: That response is bizarre. So a breach is a criminal offence, which would be tantamount to gross misconduct, yet it appears no disciplinary action was taken. The only defence could be that the guidelines and law was so badly drafted that even the police couldn’t understand them! That's poppycock really Derek. It isn't really a criminal offence is it? You can't run a position (and expect it to stand up legally) where 450 members of the public were spoken to and it was left at that. (I'm concious of the dick heads jailed but none of them were single cases of a quick chat) Is it poor form for a few coppers to get caught breaking the lockdown rules? Yes, sure. Is it gross misconduct? Not really. Would that stick if you tried to pin it on those three if it was challenged? Would it bollocks. You would simply end up with a massive and costly litigation case and the tax payer would be landed with another massive bill like that fire service farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That's poppycock really Derek. It isn't really a criminal offence is it? You can't run a position (and expect it to stand up legally) where 450 members of the public were spoken to and it was left at that. (I'm concious of the dick heads jailed but none of them were single cases of a quick chat) Is it poor form for a few coppers to get caught breaking the lockdown rules? Yes, sure. Is it gross misconduct? Not really. Would that stick if you tried to pin it on those three if it was challenged? Would it bollocks. You would simply end up with a massive and costly litigation case and the tax payer would be landed with another massive bill like that fire service farce. People have gone to jail for similar and therefore yes, it is a criminal offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: That's poppycock really Derek. It isn't really a criminal offence is it? You can't run a position (and expect it to stand up legally) where 450 members of the public were spoken to and it was left at that. (I'm concious of the dick heads jailed but none of them were single cases of a quick chat) Is it poor form for a few coppers to get caught breaking the lockdown rules? Yes, sure. Is it gross misconduct? Not really. Would that stick if you tried to pin it on those three if it was challenged? Would it bollocks. You would simply end up with a massive and costly litigation case and the tax payer would be landed with another massive bill like that fire service farce. Tell that to the fella that got a £1000 fine for taking his dog for a walk. And who wasn’t a cop expected to know the full legislation, and be upholding it. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-isle-of-man-52427068 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I'm happy to corrected but I do not think a single person has been charged with an offence the first time they were spoken to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: I'm happy to corrected but I do not think a single person has been charged with an offence the first time they were spoken to? No, nor given fixed penalty tickets either. The official police line (according to their Twitter account) during this perilous, frustrating, and trying time for us all has always been to engage, explain, encourage and then only finally enforce when all the previous options have been exhausted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, manxst said: No, nor given fixed penalty tickets either. The official police line (according to their Twitter account) during this perilous, frustrating, and trying time for us all has always been to engage, explain, encourage and then only finally enforce when all the previous options have been exhausted. Which is exactly why it isn't gross misconduct as far as the three coppers are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 We place our trust in the Police to uphold the law in an even and fair manner. They are in a privileged position and should be held to a higher standard than the local idiot. The three officers have let down their colleagues and the office they hold. They appear to have been dealt with in a similar discretionary manner as the general public which I have mixed feeling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Which is exactly why it isn't gross misconduct as far as the three coppers are concerned. Would it not be gross misconduct according to their internal standards/values, given that they have breached the law whilst in a position of trust and holding the office of constable? I’ll bow to the greater knowledge of Derek in this matter, as I’m sure he knows about these things more than the outside person like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, manxst said: Would it not be gross misconduct according to their internal standards/values, given that they have breached the law whilst in a position of trust and holding the office of constable? I’ll bow to the greater knowledge of Derek in this matter, as I’m sure he knows about these things more than the outside person like the rest of us. I'd bow to common sense really. You have got zero chance of a gross misconduct charge sticking for a minor infraction that 450 people did and were chatted to about it. I agree Police Officers should know better of course. But to suggest you could slap a gross misconduct charge on them and get it to stick is fanciful these days. It's a talking to and noting. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Do you not think this is why today, suddenly, personal distancing has been abandoned from Monday ? The police would be in an impossible position pulling anyone firstly because of that ill conceived march and then there own lot being at fault the only way was to scrap it it is a face saving excercise for the C C. not a prize for us for doing as we were told. That is my take on it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Derek Flint said: Well I haven't read it but the front page of the Indy is claiming THREE cops broke lockdown and were given warnings. My sources have since told me that at least one - who holds supervisory rank, was given a fixed penalty notice. Professional standards really do seem to be at a low, presently. You certainly seem to have enough chips on your shoulder to last a week in a casino. You have left the force. Why not move on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, Scotty said: You certainly seem to have enough chips on your shoulder to last a week in a casino. You have left the force. Why not move on ? Maybe because Derek stands for decency, integrity and professionalism which is lacking in the force since his retirement? Maybe he should be an example for those still there? Hardly having a chip on his shoulder to be wanting coppers to be honest and decent. Have a word with yourself, and criticise the people who should be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, manxst said: Maybe because Derek stands for decency, integrity and professionalism which is lacking in the force since his retirement? Maybe he should be an example for those still there? Hardly having a chip on his shoulder to be wanting coppers to be honest and decent. Have a word with yourself, and criticise the people who should be held accountable. Derek has done nothing but pull our local Police down since being pensioned out. Not their fault he had health issues Is it ? He came here and did a good job in our force, for which he was well rewarded. He tried to bring UK procedures here and it didn’t work. Maybe he did not understand island life, but that is no reason to belittle our CC and what he has done. Maybe not many of the sheep on here appreciate what the present CC had done, but I would hazard a guess that the majority of the population are happy with him. I seriously doubt Derek is winning many friends with his constant bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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