woolley Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: The expanded ULEZ area is simply the same as the existing LEZ area, which has been around since Johnson was Mayor. So expansion was always going to happen. The wiki you linked says they are not to be confused with each other. LEZ impacts commercial vehicles while ULEZ hits private motorists, so not inevitable that they must cover the same zones. Substantiation remains elusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, HiVibes said: Charge by weight of the driver, and reduce if they have passeners. Ban all old poeople off the roads they are only prattling about and have zero purpose being there other than filling time in before death. They pay the taxes for your benefits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Certainly tax the ICE fuel. Certainly charge per distance travelled and type of road. But also by weight of vehicle. nice for those who can work from home. For the rest of us, including care workers going from home to home, who are already low paid and poorly compensated for vehicle use, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 @woolley it is the Tory Government who have been pushing the ULEZ zone and similar schemes around the country. They then blame the local councils especially if they are Labour. This has been happening in Greater Manchester where that scheme is now under review. The second link below is the most compelling evidence given the Tory majority in Westminster. https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/the-truth-about-londons-ultra-low-emission-zone/ https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9816/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Cambon said: Also by weight, including EVs. All cars road tax by weight. The other thing that annoys me is EVs getting cheaper electricity for charging, and low VAT! Ludicrous! EV batteries are heavy ,, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 13 hours ago, John Wright said: Certainly tax the ICE fuel. Certainly charge per distance travelled and type of road. But also by weight of vehicle. If you are charging on fuel, then distance is charged for by default. The danger is that they price people off the road, then there is insufficient tax money to maintain the roads. So, you have to tax without discouraging. That is why lower road tax and higher fuel tax is the obvious answer. People can decide when they refuel their vehicles whether a certain trip is worth the money, or if they can afford it at that time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, HiVibes said: Charge by weight of the driver, and reduce if they have passeners. Ban all old poeople off the roads they are only prattling about and have zero purpose being there other than filling time in before death. As much as I agree old “poeople” should be banned, over 80s, perhaps. I think the age at which one can take their driving test should be raised to 18. Still allow provisionals and lessons from 16, but encourage some real, practical supervised experience before allowing children on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 53 minutes ago, Cambon said: If you are charging on fuel, then distance is charged for by default. The danger is that they price people off the road, then there is insufficient tax money to maintain the roads. So, you have to tax without discouraging. That is why lower road tax and higher fuel tax is the obvious answer. People can decide when they refuel their vehicles whether a certain trip is worth the money, or if they can afford it at that time. There isn't duty etc on electricity for EV. I'm happy with a combination of a Road Tax based on weight ( that's what causes most damage and wear and tear, a mileage/time of day/usage charge based on what roads/where ( that will also cover congestion and LEZ but must be subject to essential user work allowances ). You're mistaken if you think VED is hypothecated for roads. There has to be a taper so we cover the diminution of revenue from ICE fuels and the increase of EV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Road tax…ULEZ…GLC…EVs…London Mayor…Tories… But that Katy Hopkins, tho’…cuh! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lamb Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Jarndyce said: Road tax…ULEZ…GLC…EVs…London Mayor…Tories… But that Katy Hopkins, tho’…cuh! 'cuh'? Not the customary spelling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 10:23 PM, Cambon said: Also by weight, including EVs. All cars road tax by weight. The other thing that annoys me is EVs getting cheaper electricity for charging, and low VAT! Ludicrous! Are you aware that the electric heating tariff is cheaper than an EV tariff? Also VAT is added whenever you charge at a podpoint ( I.e you pay more for the electricity than when you charge at home ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, John Wright said: There isn't duty etc on electricity for EV. I'm happy with a combination of a Road Tax based on weight ( that's what causes most damage and wear and tear, a mileage/time of day/usage charge based on what roads/where ( that will also cover congestion and LEZ but must be subject to essential user work allowances ). You're mistaken if you think VED is hypothecated for roads. There has to be a taper so we cover the diminution of revenue from ICE fuels and the increase of EV Many people generate their own electricity using solar?..How are you planning to tax that ? And if the plan is to add additional tax based on smart meters connected to the car charging points it won't work All electric cars can be changed from a 3 pin plug if needed.. I have an EV and and ICE car. Curreht EV tech is still a work in progress and doesn't work for everyone. I don't take it across for example.. But for island use its perfect . Edited September 17, 2023 by mad_manx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, mad_manx said: Many people generate their own electricity using solar?..How are you planning to tax that ? And if the plan is to add additional tax based on smart meters connected to the car charging points it won't work All electric cars can be changed from a 3 pin plug if needed.. I have an EV and and ICE car. Curreht EV tech is still a work in progress and doesn't work for everyone. I don't take it across for example.. But for island use its perfect . which is why, going forward, its going to be a mix of weight and usage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_manx Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: which is why, going forward, its going to be a mix of weight and usage I suppose that's the only way...I wouldnt mind as my EV is fairly light and running costs are like 2p a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 12:10 PM, John Wright said: There isn't duty etc on electricity for EV. I'm happy with a combination of a Road Tax based on weight ( that's what causes most damage and wear and tear, a mileage/time of day/usage charge based on what roads/where ( that will also cover congestion and LEZ but must be subject to essential user work allowances ). You're mistaken if you think VED is hypothecated for roads. There has to be a taper so we cover the diminution of revenue from ICE fuels and the increase of EV No, VED is not hypothecated for roads, but the amount spent on roads is directly proportional to the amount of use. If road usage halves, so must the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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