La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 2/6/2024 at 9:06 PM, ricardo said: Could the already grossly bloated, yet inexorably growing Manx civil service just be hugely inefficient or is it possible its' growth might be part of a global agenda? Anyone interested in what may be going on in our increasingly strange World might find the below film eye opening.. https://rumble.com/v2rxr4s-plandemic-3-the-great-awakening-full-movie.html It's not eye-opening. If you take the content of that film seriously then you're either uneducated on politics and history, a bit thick or maybe new to conspiracy or maybe a mix of those. The film starts off by seeming to say nothing outlandish or controversial except for some misunderstandings of socialism and fascism and then launches into a ridiculous presentation of communism and communism being behind globalism, gender questions, corporate social responsibility and protests about problems in society. The only thing emotionally moving about it is that many people are so uneducated in America that they might watch it and think it is true based on misconceptions they have about their society and political and economic system. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, ricardo said: Should anyone be interested in what may well present the greatest threat to our liberties and freedom in our lifetime the speech by Dr Tess Lawrie is below: Dr Lawrie appears in this BBC Report as one of the advocates for Ivermectin. Apparently Covid doesn't exist and here's a miracle drug to take to cure it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 But that is the problem. A lot of people (Americans) do believe this tosh. They even have guns so potentially very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I have only one question, wtf has it reset ? I far as I can see, it should be called 'The start, where we left off." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The film and that sort of thinking starts with good values, such as freedom but quickly departs into the sort of superficial political and historical understanding that the current republican party wants to push on Americans. It's just like fox news except a little more extreme. When you look at the erosion of freedoms and problems with the economy then you look for what's obvious, which is where power lies. But because this sort of stuff in the film is made by people who have indoctrinated to think that capitalism is good then they don't look at corporate power and it's effects on government decision-making. And they don't realise that you don't have to be anti-capitalist to have a big problems with how corporate power is destroying democracy and eroding freedoms. To put it all down to communism and socialism, especially when the working class has so little education on working class politics, is completely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The ‘ alternative ‘ views regarding the Pandemic, I find very confusing. The theories seem so varied leaving an individual is to ‘pick and mix’ which aspects fit with best with their previous education, their political and racial beliefs - or they simply find most appealing Some say the Covid virus is a bio-weapon - one can choose from several possible culprits either acting alone of in some intricate international scheme with further options involving large business corporations an links to historical organisations thought to control the world ( several more options) Some say Covid virus it doesn’t exist, others say there is no such thing as a virus - that is any virus - therefore presumably no measles, small pox, polio, yellow fever, influenza ( the Spanish ‘ flu apparently was a hoax but it managed to kill more than 50 million) and by this logic, no Epstein and Barr were deluded, and the relationship between human papilloma virus and cancer, notably cervical cancer must be also be false and in consequence by this logic any form of vaccination can only be viewed as pointless, at best. By this reasoning, HIV or Aid cannot exist and the next inference must be any deaths must be down to something else.The reflex will be to blame the treatments that had been given . The belief that there is no communicable disease by contagion prompts selective quotes from microbiologists from the 1860s - the era of the light-refraction optics rather than the electron microscope.Stuck in the past has even lead to theories that such appendicitis can be best treated by relieving constipation. It is puzzling then why invermectin - or any other agent , can be advocated as a treatment for something which these folk claim does’t exist,.Unless another faction believes that there is a microbiological cause ( perhaps viewing it is a parasitic infection or due to scabies , as invermectin has a very good, safe record at dealing with both, but It is unclear if parasites, bacteria - indeed any other microorganisms are ‘ allowed ‘in their world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Dr Lawrie appears in this BBC Report as one of the advocates for Ivermectin. Apparently Covid doesn't exist and here's a miracle drug to take to cure it. It is good to see some actual dialogue taking place - these subjects are worthy of discussion. My intention is to put forward alternative perspectives to those we have all been bombarded with over the last few years, rather than claiming anything as ‘the truth’. Dr Lawrie, thousands of other very well qualified medical professionals, and millions of citizens, have all been alarmed that the only solution being put forward for a ‘virus’ little different to annual ‘flu was a total global lockdown, ‘social distancing’, masks, and an untested genetic-based ‘vaccine’. Particularly since there were already well-tried medicines available. Many of us have wondered what is really going on. Some of those reading this forum might have too.. Few can doubt the BBC is a government mouthpiece. Their so-called ‘dis-information’ expert, Marianna Spring - a good-looking young presenter rather than experienced journalist - appears to have been employed with the express task of suppressing anything that strays off the government line. Wikipedia has been said by a co-founder to have been ‘captured’. So-called fact-checking organisations such as Fullfact receive large portions of their funding from institutional investors. As ever, if one is actually interested in a subject discernment must be used. Virus's, bacteria, germ vs terrain theory are all big subjects. Authoritative writers such as Dr Thomas Cowan - author of the excellent ’The truth about Contagion’ - and many others, typically either have to stop practicing medicine or brace for a fight if they say anything that goes against the spiel of Big Pharma. But it is obvious to many that huge multi-national businesses do not necessarily have our best interests at heart. Millions around the World are waking-up to the reality that our leaders may not have our best interests at heart either. Regardless of specifically who it may be behind them working towards an agenda, they are the people who cause and fund wars, ie; very nasty ones. And those people’s interests are best served by us arguing amongst ourselves.. If anyone is actually interested in the covid debate Dr Lawrie's speech - she was formerly an advisor to the W.H.O., her credentials are impeccable - to the Irish Dial is factual, detailed and evidence-based. Edited February 10 by ricardo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Dolce_Vita Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 I don't think COVID is a big subject in the way that you suggest. There is a difference with how COVID was responded to and how prepared nations were and the role pharmaceuticals play in profiting from it but focusing in on germ warfare stuff along the lines of conspiracy is not a big topic. And maybe my last point will help explain why... ...because millions of people are not waking up to the idea that leaders have their best interests at heart. Many people do think that that's the case but we tend to call those people foolish or uneducated. In the USA, many working class people are so uneducated and fed propaganda through the media they truly think that Donald Trump or Biden wants what's best for them. I doubt there are many who thinks Sunak has their interests at heart. These leaders are self-serving and serve private-business interests because that's where power lies and where influence can easily be wielded. But these leaders don't run government and don't themselves singularly or almost singularly decide on law and policy. It's all the other people who are self serving and can be influenced through lobbying etc. That's not conspiracy. That's how the world works. People have very little opportunity to exercise their views and effect change on their government, those in power are self serving and corporate power undermines the popular will. People are either educated about these facts or not. But chasing stuff about COVID is not useful. And it doesn't even make sense, except in one aspect. If there was a conspiracy to fabricate the disease in some way then the outcome of eroding civil liberties with lockdowns and making people used to that degree of government power could be seen to be a useful outcome. But the problem with that line of thinking is that government don't need to do that. People are so educarionally impoverished, especially in Britain, that people are slow to move to violently protest and threaten the government and private power if a government decides to remove civil liberties. We see this with the Tories tinkering about with laws relating to freedom of speech. I think your efforts are better concentrated at looking at the obvious and real threat from the government about what is actually says and does rather than wondering what secrets are hidden. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kevster Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, ricardo said: Russell Brand and Pierre Kory - both highly respected sources of accurate information (sarcasm emoji) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 They are discussing actuarial tables, ie; facts. Ignore if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I know a few people who are into all of these conspiracy theories. The one thing that they all have in common (in addition to their wonky opinions) is that none of them are particularly bright. These 'theories' enable them to feel like they know and understand things that all of the sheeple just don't get. It gives them a little boost within themselves that maybe they actually are really smart and they can then help other, more cerebrally challenged, people open their eyes and mind to The Truth(s). Bless their little, government controlled, cotton socks. They always go all in as well, why just go with one mad theory when you can embrace the whole lot. Let's start with Covid, then move onto 9-11, 7-7, chemtrails, crisis actors, The Illuminati, moon landings and by then it's like, fuck it, what about how aliens built the pyramids... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 25 minutes ago, reptar said: I know a few people who are into all of these conspiracy theories. The one thing that they all have in common (in addition to their wonky opinions) is that none of them are particularly bright. These 'theories' enable them to feel like they know and understand things that all of the sheeple just don't get. It gives them a little boost within themselves that maybe they actually are really smart and they can then help other, more cerebrally challenged, people open their eyes and mind to The Truth(s). Bless their little, government controlled, cotton socks. They always go all in as well, why just go with one mad theory when you can embrace the whole lot. Let's start with Covid, then move onto 9-11, 7-7, chemtrails, crisis actors, The Illuminati, moon landings and by then it's like, fuck it, what about how aliens built the pyramids... What, aliens didn’t build the pyramids?! 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, ricardo said: What, aliens didn’t build the pyramids?! 😮 You beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 For all those anti-vaxxers out there a massive global study reveals what sensible people have known since the start of putting covid back in it's box and saving untold lives: Two very rare Covid vaccine side-effects detected in global study of 99 million Results confirm how uncommon known complications are as researchers confirm benefits from vaccines still ‘vastly outweigh the risks’ https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/23/two-very-rare-covid-vaccine-side-effects-detected-in-global-study-of-99-million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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