John Wright Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 hours ago, quilp said: No.3... How is this conflict anywhere near comparable to Northern Ireland? 53 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: It's not. Not even remotely, but these sweeping historical comparisons provide an easy framework and model of explanation. It's playing games with history based on a set of rules. The parallels are there, the difference is the UK government knew it couldn’t get away with it. Didn’t stop the armed forces and RUC behaving like the IDF towards catholics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, John Wright said: The parallels are there, the difference is the UK government knew it couldn’t get away with it. Didn’t stop the armed forces and RUC behaving like the IDF towards catholics. Nah, that'd never stand up in court, JW. Think about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, HeliX said: Shithousery by British Protestant elites caused both situations. I'll give you that one, when the timeline of the whole thing is considered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, John Wright said: The parallels are there, the difference is the UK government knew it couldn’t get away with it. Didn’t stop the armed forces and RUC behaving like the IDF towards catholics. Talking shite from a privileged perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 hours ago, John Wright said: The parallels are there, the difference is the UK government knew it couldn’t get away with it. Didn’t stop the armed forces and RUC behaving like the IDF towards catholics. Well, the IRA were acting like Hamas, murdering RUC officers, army personnel and anyone connected with them. They wanted an extreme reaction and sometimes they got it. Catholics were associated with the IRA by both of these organisations and some of them didn't differentiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Quite the opinion piece in the guardian here https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/02/israel-gaza-lies-western-backers They lie and lie and lie and lie and people who should know better lap it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Quite the opinion piece in the guardian here https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/02/israel-gaza-lies-western-backers They lie and lie and lie and lie and people who should know better lap it up. It wouldn't suprise me if they're all getting kick-backs from Israel in some form. Whether by support for the a party or individual via "friends of Israel" and other such lobby groups (this lobby group exists on the Island btw - 453 members on Facebook) or direct funding from UK based Zionists. It's amazing how money can ease a person's conscience and stop you giving a fuck for your fellow human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 5/1/2024 at 3:09 PM, John Wright said: But at what cost. Transfer it back to Northern Ireland, or Cyprus, or Kenya or Malaysia, or the USA actions in Vietnam and South East Asia. 1. Destroying civilian infrastructure and killing civilians drives the insurgents/terrorists/freedom fighters/liberation or independence fighters underground and acts as a powerful recruiting tool. 2. it’s disproportionate when the civilian populations is so adversely affected, with casualties etc. 3. You’d not have suggested a scorched earth policy against every Catholic ghetto, residential area, school, church, hospital, in Northern Ireland, would you? And if you had, what would have been the effect, and the international reaction? @John Wright Not sure where to start with this pile of poo! The 500 or so armed members of EOKA wanted to end British Rule and merge Cyprus with Greece. That ended well... Same story with the Mau Mau wanting to end colonial rule of Kenya. They were eventually beaten by British forces and by detaining the disaffected Mau Mau supporters in what were essentially concentration camps. In Malaya similarly there was an insurgency wanting an independent and communist country who even murdered the British High Commissioner! They were beaten back and eventually faded away. One of the tactics that helped the British to win was the building of fortified villages that was also adopted in Vietnam. The British Army got involved in NI because the civil authorities had lost control of the situation with Protestants burning out Catholics. The British Army stabilised the situation and prevented more Protestant attacks. In all of these "examples" the destruction of a sovereign state and the driving of the survivors into the sea was never the driving force for action. This made me wonder "Destroying civilian infrastructure and killing civilians drives the insurgents/terrorists/freedom fighters/liberation or independence fighters underground" because in NI the Irish Republican so-called "Army" (what a joke that is!) an "underground" organisation were responsible for destroying civilian infrastructure and murdering innocent civilians! As for this nonsense "You’d not have suggested a scorched earth policy against every Catholic ghetto, residential area, school, church, hospital, in Northern Ireland, would you?" those who live in NI are British Citizens ffs! 22 hours ago, John Wright said: The parallels are there, the difference is the UK government knew it couldn’t get away with it. Didn’t stop the armed forces and RUC behaving like the IDF towards catholics. I cannot make a judgement on this claim because I have never patrolled with the IDF. Have you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Palestinians are being told to evacuate around Rafah as a prelude to an IDF operation: Israel Gaza live updates: Israeli military calls on Gazans to leave parts of Rafah https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68963839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Oh hooray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Apparently the Hamas "negotiating position" is a permanent ceasefire and the withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza knowing perfectly well that it would be totally unacceptable to the Knesset to just hand them a victory. So the inevitable response is the IDF will now start advancing into Rafah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 29 minutes ago, P.K. said: Apparently the Hamas "negotiating position" is a permanent ceasefire and the withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza knowing perfectly well that it would be totally unacceptable to the Knesset to just hand them a victory. So the inevitable response is the IDF will now start advancing into Rafah. So never ending war until every building in Gaza is gone is the only answer then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: So never ending war until every building in Gaza is gone is the only answer then? The IDF have been tasked to destroy the remaining Hamas terrorists ASAFP. That's the only answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, P.K. said: The IDF have been tasked to destroy the remaining Hamas terrorists ASAFP. That's the only answer... When has elimination of a terrorist force by military means ever worked? When is Israel going to declare the terrorists defeated? By what metric? There is no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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