Israel vs. the rest of the world?

[philwebs]

What is it all about?

1. Ben Gurion canal 9taking over from Suez, might be an "accident" there.)

2. Gaza gas fields (Israel become the new gas provider for Europe)

Problem Gaza. Solution remove Gaza.

[RecklessAbandon]

LBC Journalist Sangita Myska has been removed "mysteriously" after criticising the Israeli government's actions attacking a building next to the Embassy in Iran.

She has been replaced by Israeli government cheer leader Vanessa Feltz.

What we know about Sangita Myska's absence from LBC Radio (yahoo.com)

 

[HeliX]

1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Well they won't be able to fire any more rockets into Israel every day and night. That's a start. Once they're flushed out of Gaza where are they going to launch their next attacks from ? There's not much love for Hamas in the Arab world. Military means sometimes do and have worked. Often it's the last and only option. There's no politics or dialogue with a death cult like Hamas. None. Even less than there was with that weasel Arafat. 

How do you measure how many terrorists are killed? How do you measure how many are left? How do you measure how many more have been created by Israel's collective punishment of the Gazan population?

There is no military win condition that doesn't resemble ethnic cleansing. This isn't by accident.

[RecklessAbandon]

30 minutes ago, HeliX said:

How do you measure how many terrorists are killed? How do you measure how many are left? How do you measure how many more have been created by Israel's collective punishment of the Gazan population?

There is no military win condition that doesn't resemble ethnic cleansing. This isn't by accident.

It really feels like that is by design, you create a "boogey man" enemy of no fixed size or location, and then you can do all sorts of concerning things and just claim it was all part of the plan.

See the "war on terror" or "war on drugs". 

[P.K.]

6 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

LBC Journalist Sangita Myska has been removed "mysteriously" after criticising the Israeli government's actions attacking a building next to the Embassy in Iran.

She has been replaced by Israeli government cheer leader Vanessa Feltz.

What we know about Sangita Myska's absence from LBC Radio (yahoo.com)

Removed "mysteriously" indeed.

According to LBC: “As part of the changes, Sangita Myska is leaving the station at the end of her contract, after nearly two years with the station.”

Dear me...

5 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

It really feels like that is by design, you create a "boogey man" enemy of no fixed size or location, and then you can do all sorts of concerning things and just claim it was all part of the plan.

See the "war on terror" or "war on drugs". 

Next thing you'll be claiming that Israel "arranged" the Hamas assault so they could "ethnically cleanse" Gaza!

[RecklessAbandon]

16 hours ago, P.K. said:

Removed "mysteriously" indeed.

According to LBC: “As part of the changes, Sangita Myska is leaving the station at the end of her contract, after nearly two years with the station.”

Dear me...

Next thing you'll be claiming that Israel "arranged" the Hamas assault so they could "ethnically cleanse" Gaza!

So it is all just a very convenient coincidence then, nothing to see here.  We can look forward to Feltz's IDF and Israeli government cheerleading instead of Myska's critical holding to account.  

 

Considering the IDF funding and international arming and support, it does seem a little odd how lax the security was prior to the attack and the shambolic the initial response to the attack was - but then the IDF has the arms and means to steam roll into Gaza reducing infrastructure, religious buildings, libraries, etc to dust.

I'm sure in a few years time, we can look forward to PK hand waving away the new settlements in what was the former Gaza.

 

[Andy Onchan]

Other than Iran why are no other Arab countries overtly assisting Hamas with military equipment/supplies? 

[RecklessAbandon]

20 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Other than Iran why are no other Arab countries overtly assisting Hamas with military equipment/supplies? 

Given that the IDF and the Israeli government has no issues carrying missile strikes on other sovereign nations, would you supply Hamas?

 

Edited May 8 by RecklessAbandon

[Andy Onchan]

43 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Given that the IDF and the Israeli government has no issues carrying missile strikes on other sovereign nations, would you supply Hamas?

 

Which ones are they, those that haven't already fired missiles into Israel?

[RecklessAbandon]

You know things are bad when the worlds largest produced, supplier and user of weapons stops supplying you with bombs:

What weapons has the US paused sending to Israel – and what else do they supply? | The Independent

"It was not clear exactly which bombs were sent but it was revealed in March that the Biden administration had quietly authorised the transfer of 1,800 MK84 bombs, according to Pentagon and State Department officials familiar with the matter. Those bombs weigh 900kg each.

They have been linked to previous mass-casualty events throughout Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, including strike on the Jabalya refugee camp, which killed more than 100 people. United Nations officials decried the strike as a “disproportionate attack that could amount to war crimes”. Israel – which denies all allegations of war crimes – said the strike resulted in the death of a Hamas leader.

But the bombs, capable of levelling city blocks and leaving craters in the earth 40 feet across, are rarely used by Western militaries in densely populated areas due to the risk to civilian life."

[TheTeapot]

1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

Other than Iran why are no other Arab countries overtly assisting Hamas with military equipment/supplies? 

Because no one supports them.*

Everyone would like Hamas to fuck off. 

The problem is, repeatedly bombing everyone else near to them is just going to create more Hamas. Unless you kill everyone of course.

Edit - *apart from Bibi and his suitcases of cash

Edited May 8 by TheTeapot

[P.K.]

5 hours ago, RecklessAbandon said:

So it is all just a very convenient coincidence then, nothing to see here.  We can look forward to Feltz's IDF and Israeli government cheerleading instead of Myska's critical holding to account.  

Considering the IDF funding and international arming and support, it does seem a little odd how lax the security was prior to the attack and the shambolic the initial response to the attack was - but then the IDF has the arms and means to steam roll into Gaza reducing infrastructure, religious buildings, libraries, etc to dust.

I'm sure in a few years time, we can look forward to PK hand waving away the new settlements in what was the former Gaza.

There's nothing "coincidental" about someone running down their contract no matter how much you with your agenda would like it to be otherwise...

The Israelis were caught napping and they know it. A major failure by their security services.

Now they had to respond to the assault because not to would simply invite another. They chose to take the fight to the enemy.

Now modern warfare is about winning with as few casualties to your own side as possible. Ideally you want to manoeuvre your enemy into such a position that they can be massacred with no losses to your own side. They have chosen to make a ground incursion which is the exact opposite of the above. This is because Hamas have deliberately embedded themselves in the general population to use them as human shields. So the only way to eliminate them is to go in and draw them out.

Starting in the North they are now left with Rafah in the South. They will have to go into Rafah because there are at least four Hamas brigades there to be eliminated. Also It's pretty certain that any remaining Israeli hostages will be in the area as it's pretty unlikely they will be anywhere else. Anything left of the Hamas leadership on the ground will also be there plus Hamas infrastructure including a possible four tunnels into Egypt.

 

[RecklessAbandon]

2 minutes ago, P.K. said:

There's nothing "coincidental" about someone running down their contract no matter how much you with your agenda would like it to be otherwise...

The Israelis were caught napping and they know it. A major failure by their security services.

Now they had to respond to the assault because not to would simply invite another. They chose to take the fight to the enemy.

Now modern warfare is about winning with as few casualties to your own side as possible. Ideally you want to manoeuvre your enemy into such a position that they can be massacred with no losses to your own side. They have chosen to make a ground incursion which is the exact opposite of the above. This is because Hamas have deliberately embedded themselves in the general population to use them as human shields. So the only way to eliminate them is to go in and draw them out.

Starting in the North they are now left with Rafah in the South. They will have to go into Rafah because there are at least four Hamas brigades there to be eliminated. Also It's pretty certain that any remaining Israeli hostages will be in the area as it's pretty unlikely they will be anywhere else. Anything left of the Hamas leadership on the ground will also be there plus Hamas infrastructure including a possible four tunnels into Egypt.

 

Simple question which requires only a simple answer:

Do you (P.K.) honestly believe that the IDF and the Israeli government will vacate Gaza after they have achieved their objectives? (Yes/No)

[P.K.]

18 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Simple question which requires only a simple answer:

Do you (P.K.) honestly believe that the IDF and the Israeli government will vacate Gaza after they have achieved their objectives? (Yes/No)

You can only ask a "simple" question because you clearly don't understand the reality of the situation.

Israel remains the "occupying power" of the Gaza strip according to the UN. Even though the enclave was created by the Arab League. Before the 1948 attempt to destroy Israel and drive the survivors into the sea the population was about 80k. On the Arab League (failed) invasion refugees fled the fighting to Gaza and swelled the numbers to some 300k stateless people. They stayed stateless because Egypt, the occupying power, wouldn't give them naturalisation like the other Arab League states didn't with their Palestinian refugees.

They have now reached 2m plus with very high unemployment, insufficient natural resources to sustain them hence many live on handouts and no foreseeable future. A road to nowhere.

Israel however became the "occupying power" after the accord with Egypt.

[manxman1980]

1 hour ago, P.K. said:

Also It's pretty certain that any remaining Israeli hostages will be in the area as it's pretty unlikely they will be anywhere else. 

Do you really believe that any of the hostages are still alive?  Between Hamas and the IDF I would imagine most have been executed, died of injuries or killed by the IDF as casualties of their campaign. 

I think that this has been one of the sticking points with any ceasefire.  The Israeli Government have demanded that Hamas hand over live hostages and quite simply Hamas cannot comply with that requirement.