P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 25 minutes ago, HeliX said: When has elimination of a terrorist force by military means ever worked? When is Israel going to declare the terrorists defeated? By what metric? There is no end. Malaya has had several communist insurgencies but it remains a democracy. So it can be done. If it was up to me when the recognised Hamas units have been destroyed I would call a halt to hunting the remnants down and spend time and effort finding and destroying any infrastructure they may have. Then leave The Arab League to sort out the mess. They created refugee camps like Gaza so they can fix them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Pretty much the whole world is saying "please don't do this". Almost everyone knows it is wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Pretty much the whole world is saying "please don't do this". Almost everyone knows it is wrong. If the IDF do not destroy Hamas then it will be viewed as a victory. Not just by Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestians but also by the Arab League and the Persians and every other terrorist outfit on the planet. So not only will recruitment be bolstered by a rise in morale but also the IDF would have left behind a rump of Hamas who will help to arm and train those joining up ready for their next assault on Israel. In other words it will be a massive strategic and tactical mistake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Pretty much the whole world says "please dont do this" but PK on manxforums unzips and gets ready "let's go boys" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Just now, TheTeapot said: Pretty much the whole world says "please dont do this" but PK on manxforums unzips and gets ready "let's go boys" As ever just telling it like it is. So in your opinion what part of my synopsis is incorrect? You know, play the ball and not the man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, P.K. said: As ever just telling it like it is. So in your opinion what part of my synopsis is incorrect? You know, play the ball and not the man... The assertion that it's possible to eliminate Hamas by military means. The idea that this is going to improve safety for Israelis. All this military action has done is breed another generation of Hamas. Kids who's parents have been killed by the Israeli regime. Parents who's kids have been killed by the Israeli regime. Hostility is only going to worsen. Given that that's Netanyahus wish, his approach makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Israel's strategic decisions have been poor all along. It may feel like winning to them right now, but long term, it's a lose lose situation. Which direction is the prevailing opinion of Israel moving globally? Not just Muslims/Arabs in the neighbouring countries. Prior to this, the accusation of anti-semitism meant something. Now it means F all to many people who have seen Israel commit barbaric acts while hiding behind name calling and gaslighting. You p.k, are becoming part of a smaller consensus day by day. Only negatives for them going forward. Their image is in tatters, both as a beautiful, modern, almost western country, and also as a perpetual victim. All entirely due to Israel's behaviour. Like I've said all along. Hamas is a tribe of barbarians who operate under no law other than their own, Israel is sovereign, internationally recognised country state who must be held to a higher standard. Hamas don't submit an entry to eurovision do they??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 International law is a farce when the US is involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 11 hours ago, HeliX said: The assertion that it's possible to eliminate Hamas by military means. The idea that this is going to improve safety for Israelis. All this military action has done is breed another generation of Hamas. Kids who's parents have been killed by the Israeli regime. Parents who's kids have been killed by the Israeli regime. Hostility is only going to worsen. Given that that's Netanyahus wish, his approach makes sense. Firstly they had to respond to the assault. Out of the very limited options available they decided to take the fight to the enemy. The best means of defence etc... Secondly the more they degrade the capabilities of Hamas the further out a second assault is going to be. You don't need to be an Einstein... Have to say the idea that Palestinians are going to stop filling their kids with "Death to Israel" hatred depending on what the Israeli response was is laughable... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I think that if you sound like Ben Givir when talking about the war then you should probably admit you've got a problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 2 hours ago, TheTeapot said: I think that if you sound like Ben Givir when talking about the war then you should probably admit you've got a problem. If you don't understand what "Play the ball and not the man" means then you've definitely got a problem... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 48 minutes ago, P.K. said: If you don't understand what "Play the ball and not the man" means then you've definitely got a problem... You pull this stupid phrase out when your argument is being pulled apart. This thread is full of you "playing the man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 21 hours ago, HeliX said: When has elimination of a terrorist force by military means ever worked? When is Israel going to declare the terrorists defeated? By what metric? There is no end. Well they won't be able to fire any more rockets into Israel every day and night. That's a start. Once they're flushed out of Gaza where are they going to launch their next attacks from ? There's not much love for Hamas in the Arab world. Military means sometimes do and have worked. Often it's the last and only option. There's no politics or dialogue with a death cult like Hamas. None. Even less than there was with that weasel Arafat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 This is a thinly veiled land grab. Does anyone genuinely believe that after the IDF have finished flattening Gaza that Israel is going to pull out? It will be usual playbook "oh we need to maintain a presence in Gaza for "security" purposes - oh those settlers that are moving in and settling? Ignore those - put that camera down, you're under arrest!!!" My rough understanding of the "1 - 10" doctrine is that for every combatant you kill, 10 civilians are killed/wounded and for every civilian that is killed/wounded you create 10 more combatant/supporters. I'm sure there is a term for what the IDF and the Israeli government are doing, starts with "ethnic" something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Also, the Israeli government further closing any scrutiny of their actions: Al Jazeera office raided as Israel takes channel off air - BBC News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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