P.K. Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I am still waiting for the mathematical formula that shows clouds staying the same shape after traveling thousands of miles across the globe....Or is it a NASA CGI mind trick..."these are not the droids you are looking for" I don't know what you're on but I think I'd like to try some. But only because life here in Reality Land can be a bit shit sometimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 That's why the more outlandish conspiracy theories were invented ..to dilute and hide the truth woolley Do you think so? Why bother? After all we are being told that they could get away with anything, apparently. I could accept the possibility of the odd compliant and corrupt protection officer or two. But ALL of them? For 40 years? No way. To me it is just like the stuff on "We never went to the moon." Too many people would have to know about it and be in on the concealment to have kept the lid on it at the time. People collectively are not good at keeping secrets. As for Gerry's suggestion that Heath was doing God knows what and chucking his victims bodies off his yacht in the Channel, well that is just disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 @woolley: As for people in the security services not being in on it. look into MI6 deputy chief, Sir Peter Hayman's past...He was actually investigated in 1978 for having hundreds of child pornography in his possession as well as many people naming him of sexual abuse against them.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827378/Diplomat-Peter-Hayman-named-VIP-sexually-abused-boys-Dolphin-Square-apartment-complex-near-Parliament.html You might also like to look into Dolphin Square, sadly it is only the very edge of the rabbit hole though....I believe that's where the latest honorable lord was filmed snorting coke with a 5 pound note, seems like many high flyers have apartment's there.. Sadly most of Heaths victims may well be located somewhere between Portsmouth and Jersey, so would be unable to step forward.. Ever wonder why they found evidence of young boys aboard Lord Mountbatten's (oops was that charlies mentor) boat wreckage after it was blown up, yes body parts... Remember Jill Dando's murder, the professional hit on her doorstep that was spun into it being a stalker, with the usual police tactic of framing the village idiot to cover it up, was she about to uncover something? I think to be fair Bulsara was exposed as a deluded fantasist who had nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrydandridge Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I to was in great shock when I first realised that I was unknowingly funding and tacitly supporting this behavior.... Odd how any good cop that doesn't toe the line during these investigation gets discredited and sacked to be replaced with a more complicit investigator... If people still think that Jim and his pals were lucky to get away with his crimes for decades and had no help from authorities and his bosses at the BBC then there is no hope whatsoever... I need to get in front of the TV for a while perhaps watch some BBC news, this will sedate me for a while and bring me back in line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwell Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 That's why the more outlandish conspiracy theories were invented ..to dilute and hide the truth woolleyDo you think so? Why bother? After all we are being told that they could get away with anything, apparently. I could accept the possibility of the odd compliant and corrupt protection officer or two. But ALL of them? For 40 years? No way. To me it is just like the stuff on "We never went to the moon." Too many people would have to know about it and be in on the concealment to have kept the lid on it at the time. People collectively are not good at keeping secrets. As for Gerry's suggestion that Heath was doing God knows what and chucking his victims bodies off his yacht in the Channel, well that is just disgraceful. It is paranoid and delusional Woolley. It's like saying Pricess Diana was murdered. (when if she'd just put her seat blet on she'd be have been fine). The reality of it is that by the simple law of averages if you get a significant number of people together who are powerful then a small minority of them will be predatory paedo's. I'd say you have to be a lot more careful about it these days but i've no doubt it goes on. The people that really needing bringing to justice are the people who cover these things up. Savill was a known sexual predator on the young and nothing was done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I agree. But it has spawned a whole bloody industry just like ppi has! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I need to get in front of the TV for a while perhaps watch some BBC news, this will sedate me for a while and bring me back in line... Gerry, how far do you think this goes? Is the Queen at it? For goodness sake. I happen to agree about the BBC news incidentally but not for this reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 it seems that to reach the real upper echelons being a paedophile is almost a pre requisite ..similar to killing to become a made man in the mafia..no going back on the code.. i expect gordon brown and charles lynton may suffer from the same unprovable untrue allegations once they are dead too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/11641096/Number-of-paedophiles-in-Britain-will-shock-public-warns-Deputy-Childrens-Commissioner-for-England.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I don't know really as there must be some basis for it to hit the headlines. They've been sort of building up to this for a while now. I get what you say but you could say the same about Cyril Smith being surrounded by police officers and special branch etc and yet clearly he was most likely a wicked predatory paedophile who was not only allowed to abuse children with impunity but who had the power within the Establishment to cover it all up until long past his death. Too many with dirty secrets covering for each other. I think you forget how institutionalised the Establishment was back then. It was also stuffed full of well connected public school deviants like a big club. All covering for each other in case they got found out and with all the networks at their disposal to keep people who might blow the whistle in check. They would simply destroy anyone who threatened to expose them.As for Heath it's funny he sailed to Jersey a lot, same with Jimmy Saville who nipped in and out of there a lot as he travelled the UK, and all at the same time that widespread child abuse was happening in children's homes there. I'd say it's no different to today where the abusers link up through online groups and forums. They probably knew where the networks were. If you were in Jersey for a few days you probably knew who to call, or who ran what etc. If you were then up in the North the same would probably apply up there where Jimmy would sort you out on his home turf. it's therefore certainly plausible to me. It never ceases to amaze me just how two-faced and disgusting many of the people are who make it to the top of public life - and also how manipulative and controlling they can be in suppressing a lot of what they do. Even more so if you are the PM and you have the full instruments of state at your disposal. Many of whom are probably doing exactly the same thing and knowing that if they don't do a favour for you it will be them being exposed next. It never ceases to amaze me at the way children used to be treated. I just cannot get my head around it.Physical, mental and sexual abuse seems to have been borderline acceptable until about 30 years ago. It still happens all too frequently unfortunately but such cases do now get into the public domain. The really nasty thing about then was the sense of hopelessness they inflicted on their victims because society was more rigid. Your paedo school teacher could screw up your life because his job was respected by society and he could give you a bad reference, or call your future boss and lose you a job. The paedo vicar could convince you that you would burn in hell. The sick police or politicians could basically completely fuck you over in all respects. Maybe even hound you to suicide or discredit you so much that nobody would believe you. The security services also knew of people's weaknesses as that gave them prime leverage for being manipulated. Prime cases often were gay men in the 1950s bullied into spying so that those Polaroids never see the light of day and they were not exposed to society as a 'deviant'. This is why these cases are only coming out after people have died. Because speaking up when they were alive would have been impossible for many as the Establishment would have got them - threats to discredit, kill or otherwise destroy. The truth is that in a lot of the higher echelons of society the chances of people being devious, evil, manipulative, people increases. They also surround themselves with devious, evil, manipulative, people, who know other hideous evil people. Most of these peoples finances and reputations are linked to the circles they move in and so if most of those people are doing the same disgusting things (whether that's drugs, theft, child abuse, murder etc) then most of that crowd can act with impunity as nobody is going to rat on anyone else. Money and reputations have to be preserved. It happened with Saville, and it's happened with other people too. Everyone knew he was an evil twisted old bastard but he was in a protected bubble where even if you complained other people in that bubble made all the trouble go away and actually turned on you. The trick is to have absolutely no respect for anyone's perceived status in society. For me vicars, school teachers, police, politicians can generally all fuck off because a lot of them are hiding behind that respectable facade and their behaviour behind closed doors is no better than anyone else's. In fact people who are disgusted by their inner thoughts and urges tend to graduate towards roles in society that give them credibility that they don't deserve. Politicians are usually a good example as it's a respected position any idiot can get into. The Catholic Church is another prime example - with Centuries of providing respectability and a safe heaven for thousands of evil predatory paedophiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Some seem to think that this perversion only exists within a certain section of society, ie. those mentioned above. So it might come as a surprise to know that most victims (like those in female rape cases) know the perpetrators before the offence takes place, ie. family members, who are neither police, church, teachers or even politicians. They are 'ordinary' people, shop assistants, bus drivers, warehousemen etc. It's certainly not the preserve of the 'ruling class'. I'm not condoning it by any means but don't think it doesn't happen within 'normal' family units because it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Easy to say these things! Now how about some Manx equivalents. I first arrived on the Isle of Man in March 1986 and in the Bounty Bar of the Manx Arms I was told in all seriousness that (Sir) Charlie Kerruish was not averse to a bit of that which the late Ted Heath is posthumously accused of... Both dead so it can be said and I have heard the same about one or two more Manx with the same issue but they yet live.. I worked alongside two people with the same issue. One had done his time and was working at the old Cannells' bakery on Broadway, Douglas, now gone. And the other in an amusement arcade also now gone. It is like the Salem witch trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Easy to say these things! Now how about some Manx equivalents. I first arrived on the Isle of Man in March 1986 and in the Bounty Bar of the Manx Arms I was told in all seriousness that (Sir) Charlie Kerruish was not averse to a bit of that which the late Ted Heath is posthumously accused of... Both dead so it can be said and I have heard the same about one or two more Manx with the same issue but they yet live.. I worked alongside two people with the same issue. One had done his time and was working at the old Cannells' bakery on Broadway, Douglas, now gone. And the other in an amusement arcade also now gone. It is like the Salem witch trials. I don't believe you and think you are a f**king liar. Do you get a kick out of making things up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanxfella Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Easy to say these things! Now how about some Manx equivalents. I first arrived on the Isle of Man in March 1986 and in the Bounty Bar of the Manx Arms I was told in all seriousness that (Sir) Charlie Kerruish was not averse to a bit of that which the late Ted Heath is posthumously accused of... Both dead so it can be said and I have heard the same about one or two more Manx with the same issue but they yet live.. I worked alongside two people with the same issue. One had done his time and was working at the old Cannells' bakery on Broadway, Douglas, now gone. And the other in an amusement arcade also now gone. It is like the Salem witch trials. I don't believe you and think you are a f**king liar. Do you get a kick out of making things up? He's a nutter who is far from harmless and yes he does get a kick from making stuff up judging by many of his past posts on these Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 See what I mean Boys! Like I said, Salem witch trials! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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