More argy Bargy over social housing rents

[manxb&b]

47 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

I know the flak I am going to get for this...

What percentage of those on benefits are "able non-working" as opposed to "unable non-working" or "pension non-working" etc?

Is the problem as big as some of the knee jerkers are making out?

Undoubtedly only a very small percentage/minority are abusing the system, but we live in a 'tarred with the same brush' society. The wasters who are able to work but refuse to do so piss everybody off, from the working man who's taxes (part of) go to pay their benefits to the genuine recipients who feel looked down on.

[woody2]

47 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

In the UK, "unemployment" benefit only makes up 1% of benefit spending (year ending 2017)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/government

47 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

In the UK, "unemployment" benefit only makes up 1% of benefit spending (year ending 2017)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

publicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

you fail to take into account the other benefits they claim on top......

[Barrie Stevens]

1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said:

In the UK, "unemployment" benefit only makes up 1% of benefit spending (year ending 2017)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

The UK and devolved benefits system is undergoing major change to  Universal Credit so a lot of former terms and conditions will be phased out. So far it is a bit rickety but the following link will explain. Terms like "unemployment benefit" have been redundant  in reality for many years. You do not benefit you are given an allowance to seek...Or were as this is all changing....And is controversial 

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit

[twinkle]

2 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

In the UK, "unemployment" benefit only makes up 1% of benefit spending (year ending 2017)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/howisthewelfarebudgetspent/2016-03-16

that's just for the fucking "gimmegrants".

[WTF]

8 hours ago, John Wright said:

But if we had adequate supply rents would fall.

there are plenty of empty houses around,  the government is not going to build lots of cheap houses for the less well off to move into and vacate  the expensive rent privately owned properties of the well to do they are forced to live in now.  it would rip the arse out of the local housing market.  the fact is they don't want house prices to fall as it will put lots of folks in negative equity  etc etc.   if building cheap houses was good  the developers holding the land  would be building them,  but they're not.

[Albert Tatlock]

9 hours ago, John Wright said:

If market rent was charged they should run at profit. Transfer the value of the shares into the NI or CS Pension. The housing stock is worth far more than any borrowing. Should give a good return and capital appreciation.

Er...do you know what social housing is all about? It's for people who cannot afford market rents for starters.

Yes, means test and get rid of the cheats and downsize tenants after their kids have left home...but let's not forget the principle of why we have social housing.

If the rules that exist were followed...such as maximum salary and no of people living there...90% of the problem would be sorted fairly and quickly.

 

[Neil Down]

1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Er...do you know what social housing is all about? It's for people who cannot afford market rents for starters.

Yes, means test and get rid of the cheats and downsize tenants after their kids have left home...but let's not forget the principle of why we have social housing.

If the rules that exist were followed...such as maximum salary and no of people living there...90% of the problem would be sorted fairly and quickly.

 

That’s common sense Albert... something housing officials are sadly lacking.

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Er...do you know what social housing is all about? It's for people who cannot afford market rents for starters.

Yes, means test and get rid of the cheats and downsize tenants after their kids have left home...but let's not forget the principle of why we have social housing.

If the rules that exist were followed...such as maximum salary and no of people living there...90% of the problem would be sorted fairly and quickly.

 

Yes, I do. There are two ways of subsidising rents. Low rents or market rent with a rent subsidy based on means.

[ballaughbiker]

Low rents = rent controls?

[hissingsid]

I overheard a conversation a couple of years ago when one chap was saying he was not going for a job as with all the benefits he was getting, I think he had quite a few children, he would not manage on £500 he would get as wages, his companion agreed he was definitely making the best decision he would be worse off working as well...ffs.

[Max Power]

48 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I overheard a conversation a couple of years ago when one chap was saying he was not going for a job as with all the benefits he was getting, I think he had quite a few children, he would not manage on £500 he would get as wages, his companion agreed he was definitely making the best decision he would be worse off working as well...ffs.

You can't blame him for making an economic decision in that respect. It does seem wrong that £24,000 a year can't keep you and your family in a reasonable lifestyle though. Obviously the DHSS see what the true costs of living are, if he has chosen to have a large family, then he needs to get another job to supplement his earnings, or get the wife out working.

[twinkle]

44 minutes ago, Max Power said:

You can't blame him for making an economic decision in that respect. 

WHOA there fella, if this IS the case then our SSS is all fucked up and needs totally revamped, NO WORK = FOOD STAMPS and fuck all else for these parasites,if you can't afford to raise kids don't fucking have them.

[Neil Down]

5 minutes ago, twinkle said:

WHOA there fella, if this IS the case then our SSS is all fucked up and needs totally revamped, NO WORK = FOOD STAMPS and fuck all else for these parasites,if you can't afford to raise kids don't fucking have them.

And again without the sweary words...

[WTF]

3 hours ago, Max Power said:

You can't blame him for making an economic decision in that respect. It does seem wrong that £24,000 a year can't keep you and your family in a reasonable lifestyle though. Obviously the DHSS see what the true costs of living are, if he has chosen to have a large family, then he needs to get another job to supplement his earnings, or get the wife out working.

you must be a government accountant or diane abbot cos 500 quid a week =  £26k a year.

[yootalkin2me]

4 hours ago, Max Power said:

You can't blame him for making an economic decision in that respect. It does seem wrong that £24,000 a year can't keep you and your family in a reasonable lifestyle though. Obviously the DHSS see what the true costs of living are, if he has chosen to have a large family, then he needs to get another job to supplement his earnings, or get the wife out working.

So, let me get this straight, someone has a child but more than likely can't afford it and then decides to have even more because the state will pick up the tab. What the actual fuck is that all about, why the fuck is the state paying, why isn't the state stepping in and sterilizing these mouth breathing fuckers, it's not like any of their offspring are likely to benefit society as they're more likely to repeat history and be carbon copies of their fuckwitted parents. The welfare system and social housing system both need a massive shake up to eradicate the feckless underclass and to stop their relentless breeding.