madmanxpilot Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, snowman said: If the population was 100,000 plus, things would be more feasible. But with 84,000 this stuff is just pie in the sky. The money would be better spent on improving the runway and it's lights to allow aircraft to land in low visibility conditions. For an airport that is so prone to sea fog, it's unbelievable that the systems aren't in place. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 minute ago, madmanxpilot said: The money would be better spent on improving the runway and it's lights to allow aircraft to land in low visibility conditions. For an airport that is so prone to sea fog, it's unbelievable that the systems aren't in place. Move the prison and reinstate Jurby, only one fog event in thirty years I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Just now, finlo said: Move the prison and reinstate Jurby, only one fog event in thirty years I believe. It has been suggested before! And if one was starting for scratch, the northern plain would be a better site for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 9 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: The money would be better spent on improving the runway and it's lights to allow aircraft to land in low visibility conditions. For an airport that is so prone to sea fog, it's unbelievable that the systems aren't in place. Do you mean make IOM CATIII ? Are the regional aircraft that come in here (or EZY for that matter) equipped? Getting down is one thing, but taxiing in the fog is another isn’t it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: Do you mean make IOM CATIII ? Are the regional aircraft that come in here (or EZY for that matter) equipped? Getting down is one thing, but taxiing in the fog is another isn’t it ? Cat 2 - you need less lights for Cat 2 than Cat 1 as you are closer to the ground when the decision is made. You don't need approach lights that are behind you at decision height. The main difference between Cat 2 and Cat 3 is aircraft capability not ground equipment, so of the airfield was Cat 2 capable, it would likely be Cat 3 too. If you have landed in minimum conditions for Cat 2 the visibility will be between 300 and 125 metres, plenty good enough for taxiing in. Edited March 27, 2021 by madmanxpilot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: The money would be better spent on improving the runway and it's lights to allow aircraft to land in low visibility conditions. For an airport that is so prone to sea fog, it's unbelievable that the systems aren't in place. Well as you know the runway "extension" and removing the gantry worsened the minima ! but they never asked anyone who knew. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, asitis said: Well as you know the runway "extension" and removing the gantry worsened the minima ! but they never asked anyone who knew. Nothing ever changes. Rather than asking the people who land planes there what they need to get the job done more often, they rely on people who have appeared on reality TV shows to make the decisions for us. They did comission a report from NATS to find out what improvements could be made to landing minima without spending any money, and as expected, NATS said you can't. The key issue is the airfield lighting system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said: Nothing ever changes. Rather than asking the people who land planes there what they need to get the job done more often, they rely on people who have appeared on reality TV shows to make the decisions for us. They did comission a report from NATS to find out what improvements could be made to landing minima without spending any money, and as expected, NATS said you can't. The key issue is the airfield lighting system. Yup an unnecessary longer runway and a trashed lighting system ! way to go! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Derek Flint Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 1:19 PM, madmanxpilot said: Nothing ever changes. Rather than asking the people who land planes there what they need to get the job done more often, they rely on people who have appeared on reality TV shows to make the decisions for us. They did comission a report from NATS to find out what improvements could be made to landing minima without spending any money, and as expected, NATS said you can't. The key issue is the airfield lighting system. In fairness, this was long before the arrival of that chap. An unforgiveable oversight. They just won't have costed in the lighting extension. Remember it was already £2m in the red as they screwed up the exchange rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 54 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: In fairness, this was long before the arrival of that chap As I said - nothing ever changes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Busy role? How? The place has been a virtual ghost town the last year. I don't understand how busy it can be with almost zero flights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Amadeus said: Busy role? How? The place has been a virtual ghost town the last year. I don't understand how busy it can be with almost zero flights. It takes a lot of effort to balls everything up constantly ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I only heard it briefly on MR but unless I'm much mistaken, Paul Quine appeared to be ripping into the airport improvement plans in Tynwald last week, describing much of it as an utter waste of money, as an ex-pilot he may have a qualified opinion? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I only heard it briefly on MR but unless I'm much mistaken, Paul Quine appeared to be ripping into the airport improvement plans in Tynwald last week, describing much of it as an utter waste of money, as an ex-pilot he may have a qualified opinion? £9m vanity project apparently https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/parts-of-9-million-ronaldsway-project-dubbed-cosmetic-vanity/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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