Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: No Barrie. Irish people can move, live and work in UK and the IoM and CI outside the Treaty of Rome. It dates back to 1921 and creation of the Common Travel Area on creation of the Free State. I'm not aware that notice has been given on those treaties. John I did not make that post..It was Roger Mexico...I agree with you...My post was about the EU situation possibly being akin to Irish partition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: But it can't because Ireland will still be an EU member and any agreement with the EU will have to apply to all EU citizens equally. Not having any sort of agreement and doing something unilaterally may place all sorts of risk on British citizens not living in the UK (possibly even including those outside the UK). I'm not saying that expulsion should or will happen - there will probably be some sort of fudge. But these things have to be sorted out and they aren't being. See John Wright's post. Same as my understanding. Off for the weekend now. So long forum buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Barrie, Faroe is not a part of the EU but is free to negotiate its own trading agreements (including ones with the EU) Why can't the Isle of Man do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Barrie, Faroe is not a part of the EU but is free to negotiate its own trading agreements (including ones with the EU) Why can't the Isle of Man do that? Why not just Google it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Christians A hole said: I do now All told the figure is almost half a billion......PER YEAR!!! Please supply a breakdown of these figures. Thank you! A billion is £1,000,000,000 or one thousand million so half is £500 million a year? That seems rather a lot for the Isle of Man to pay the UK even if it is the VAT and Imperial Contribution combined which is what I assume you mean....Mind you I am bit number blind like some are word blind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christians A hole Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Barrie Stevens said: Please supply a breakdown of these figures. Thank you! Do the research like I did you lazy git! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, John Wright said: No [Roger]. Irish people can move, live and work in UK and the IoM and CI outside the Treaty of Rome. It dates back to 1921 and creation of the Common Travel Area on creation of the Free State. I'm not aware that notice has been given on those treaties. But we know that the CTA at least will have to be modified unless the UK joins some sort of common trade area with the EU and that looks like it isn't happening. Despite the delusions of the British government and most of the media, they simply can't reset the clock to 1970 or 1955 and pretend the EU was all a bad dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Barrie, Faroe is not a part of the EU but is free to negotiate its own trading agreements (including ones with the EU) Why can't the Isle of Man do that? The Faroes are a self-governing nation within the Kingdom of Denmark..(The IOM is not part of the United Kingdom so is different) Denmark is their sovereign or metropolitan power...Denmark sets the rules or the way things between them and Denmark's interests just as the UK does for the Isle of Man and Channel Islands... The Faroes and their Boss have a different relationship to you and your Boss in London...Denmark has been able to service or accommodate the Faroes requirements..The UK got you Protocol 3 (It was Geoffrey Rippon MP)... Apparently the Faroes did not join the EU because of a row over fishing and they continue to have a troubled time with the EU..The Kingdom of Denmark seems able to support their position in Brussels...Your Boss in London seems to have other ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Why will the CTA have to be modified? Ireland isn't in Schengen. If that happened then there might be issues. But in effect Ireland and UK have kept their visa/entry requirements in line and can continue to do so. CTA is about the right to establish, ie live and travel - not about movement of goods and customs duty. Lots of EU states have bilateral arrangements, especially with ex colonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: Why will the CTA have to be modified? Ireland isn't in Schengen. If that happened then there might be issues. But in effect Ireland and UK have kept their visa/entry requirements in line and can continue to do so. And there is a lot good will in the EU and UK over keeping a soft border in Ireland for fear of "Troubles"....And also it is not that long ago when all of Ireland was part of the UK and so the various ties run much deeper with all of "us" as compared with the far more recent and uncomfortable ties forged with "them" in the EU.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, John Wright said: Why will the CTA have to be modified? Ireland isn't in Schengen. If that happened then there might be issues. But in effect Ireland and UK have kept their visa/entry requirements in line and can continue to do so. Because there will have to be at least "some form of customs control" on the border within the island of Ireland[1]. Which means the CTA will have to be modified. And the 'harder' Brexit is, the harder that border will be. And if visa/entry requirements are introduced between the UK and the EU, then they will also have to apply to Ireland. Otherwise EU citizens can simply go the Ireland as they are entitled to, and cross into the UK. If there's no checks in the CTA there's nothing to stop them. And if there are checks it's no longer the CTA. [1] There has been talk of this being between the island of Ireland and the rest of the British Isles, but I can't see it happening politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 No, Roger, the CTA is not about customs duties. The CTA worked pre EU and you had to go through customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: Why not just Google it? " behoves them (the Crown Dependencies) to take matters into their own hands as much as they reasonably can" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said: Why not just Google it? "The Faroe Islands – similar but different" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 how does someone get from hungary to ni without a passport.... Quote He said they were a couple in a three-year relationship who arrived from Hungary without passports just over a year ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39963681 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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