Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, woody2 said: i will stick with the facts according to you the eu controls the world.... I have never said, implied or alleged that the EU controls the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, woolley said: The EU is one of those projects where everyone wakes up one morning and asks: "Why are we doing this?" It's interested to read about the fighting within the EU's 26 states - Germany France don't want to pay more, the rest don't want to receive less. Thank Christ Turkey hasn't joined... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Christians A hole said: Do you know how much the Ilse of Man pays the UK Government every year in VAT?. And how much for the Navy to park their warships in Douglas habour (And shag the local girls silly?) and for the UK Air Force to touch down their undercarriages on Ronaldsway?.....and the list goes on. not enough, so keep quiet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christians A hole said: Do you know how much the Ilse of Man pays the UK Government every year in VAT?. And how much for the Navy to park their warships in Douglas habour (And shag the local girls silly?) and for the UK Air Force to touch down their undercarriages on Ronaldsway?.....and the list goes on. We own you! You do as we tell you see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: It's interested to read about the fighting within the EU's 26 states - Germany France don't want to pay more, the rest don't want to receive less. Thank Christ Turkey hasn't joined... have they lost more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: It's interested to read about the fighting within the EU's 26 states - Germany France don't want to pay more, the rest don't want to receive less. Thank Christ Turkey hasn't joined... 26? Where's the other one gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Sure I read somewhere that we are members of the EEA - is that wrong? I'm trying to figure out why we can't have a relationship with the EU in our own right. If we're guaranteeing rights for EU citizens we may as well join up, either as a full member of some form of loose association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christians A hole Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: we may as well join up, either as a full member of some form of loose association You are having a laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Christians A hole said: Do you know how much the Ilse of Man pays the UK Government every year in VAT?. And how much for the Navy to park their warships in Douglas habour (And shag the local girls silly?) and for the UK Air Force to touch down their undercarriages on Ronaldsway?.....and the list goes on. Do you know how much the IOM pays for defence? If not then stay quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Christians A hole said: Do you know how much the Ilse of Man pays the UK Government every year in VAT?. And how much for the Navy to park their warships in Douglas habour (And shag the local girls silly?) and for the UK Air Force to touch down their undercarriages on Ronaldsway?.....and the list goes on. The UK has the defence rights. I mean it is their Island after all! The Island pays about £3 million or maybe a little more as what used to be called "The Imperial Contribution"..It may have gone up a bit by now but was £3 million for years.. The island gets a bargain out of it in terms of defence and security services plus consular representation...It helps towards the Red Arrows although they not coming to TT this time am told. The main bonus is supporting the Island's lucrative ship registry which is a British "Red Duster" registry and thus the ships registered can and do call upon assistance from the Royal Navy small as it is.. Manx ships for years were escorted up the Gulf by the RN's "Armilla Patrol"...All for £3 million! (Or thereabouts)... My very old text book "The Handy Book for Shipowners and Masters" by solicitors Holman, Fenwick and Willan (West of England P&I Club) states that the Royal Navy is ultimately responsible for Merchant Navy discipline and the Master of a British(Manx) registered ship can call upon the Navy for a Naval Court whereby the Royal Navy can board take over a ship where there is mutiny and/or barratry and a discipline breakdown....I have been out of that game for many years however... Not sure however how this sits with the Human Rights Act in these PC times if at all ???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Sure I read somewhere that we are members of the EEA - is that wrong? I'm trying to figure out why we can't have a relationship with the EU in our own right. If we're guaranteeing rights for EU citizens we may as well join up, either as a full member of some form of loose association too small to join and the rock doesn't have the right in the first place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Christians A hole said: Do you know how much the Ilse of Man pays the UK Government every year in VAT?. Put it this way: I can't see us being in the red on the deal any time in the next millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Sure I read somewhere that we are members of the EEA - is that wrong? I'm trying to figure out why we can't have a relationship with the EU in our own right. If we're guaranteeing rights for EU citizens we may as well join up, either as a full member of some form of loose association No. What you read was that Isle of Man is not a member of the EEA although for a while External Relations Division at Government Offices did have leaflets in the lobby saying that it was a member...(I published the contents in a letter to the "Examiner" but the information was wrong) It was this non-EEA issue which led to the withdrawal/negation of those wotsit funny card thingies wrongly giving you some sort of reciprocal medical treatment when overseas... The Island accords some concessions to non-EEA folk such as the Swiss. You are not guaranteeing EU citizens rights. You are not sovereign. You have now power. You are linked in by way of obligations under Protocol 3 appended to the UK Treaty of Accession and any other relevant obligations via the UK. The following link will explain...Basically the island has not got the capacity to follow all the EU obligations and commitments known as Acquis Communautaire https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjTyeqUgfzTAhUgM8AKHdhyDngQFgg2MAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.europarl.europa.eu%2Fatyourservice%2Fen%2FdisplayFtu.html%3FftuId%3DFTU_6.5.3.html&usg=AFQjCNH6XaYhBUvfGWd0pnaTFQnnXHO24Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christians A hole Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Do you know how much the IOM pays for defence? If not then stay quiet. I do now All told the figure is almost half a billion......PER YEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: The fact they don't have the power. All decisions regarding immigration etc remain with the UK and there's nothing they can do to change them. At most they have a few extra exclusionary powers, but no extra inclusionary ones. What is more all the forces of law and order - the judiciary, police and so on - are basically Crown employees or controlled by them. So the politicians don't have the ultimate power to tell them to ignore Westminster's rules. What is little discussed is not just the rights of EU nationals that are more recent arrivals, but those who have been here a long time. The last Census showed there being 4184 EU nationals on the Island (about 5% of the population). But included will be nearly all the 1526 born in the Republic of Ireland, many of whom will have been on the Island for decades as there has never been a reason for them to get a British passport. And many other EU nationals, especially from those countries that were members pre-2001, will be in a similar situation. At the moment they have no future security of residence here. It's quite possible that someone who came over from Ireland in the 50s or 60s; has a Manx partner, children and grandchildren; has paid tax and into the social security system their entire working life; could be packed back off to Ireland once Brexit happens. Because even nearly a year after the vote nothing has been decided. No Barrie. Irish people can move, live and work in UK and the IoM and CI outside the Treaty of Rome. It dates back to 1921 and creation of the Common Travel Area on creation of the Free State. I'm not aware that notice has been given on those treaties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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