P.K. Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Why perpetuate the charade that everyone agrees with everything when the reality is you MUST agree with everything or get put on the minus ministerial money naughty step! Yes, it is that childish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I still dont really understand. What's the point of having a vote if there's only one option to choose? Why even have a vote? He actually had two votes on this. One in CoMin and one under collective responsibility in Tynwald. You take the extra money to be in CoMin you have to vote with CoMin. If you're not doing what you're paid to do then you can't be surprised when you're punished for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: It'll most likely be Tim "pick me pick me" Baker. With Bill Shimmins or Martyn Perkins as outside hopefuls. A diversity curve ball would be Anne Corlett simply because she doesn't say much and would offer a pleasant reprieve from Chris Thomas. Lawrie Hooper would fit in with the pattern that Quayle has been following of the Cabinet Office member becoming a minister (Ashford then Allinson). However, he's a little to new in the role, a little to controversial and a little to outspoken. I'll bet on Ralph Peake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Our one party state stumbles again, Lisvane's review must be revived, and soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hampton Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Am I being overly cynical... my first thought being that now is a very good time to step away from this particular vessel, which may be about to face a very difficult run into the election that is on the horizon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Haha it's not like he's going on MERA. What a nonsense argument. I am sorry you don't understand my post. It is not helpful to call other people's views nonsense simply because you do not understand what they are saying. As a Minister, he got paid an extra 50% to the base salary as a member of the House of Keys. Thus, assuming he does not become a member of a department (which seems like a safe assumption!) he'll suffer a salary drop of a little under a third from what he was paid last month. His take home pay has reduced significantly, costing himself around £1,600/month, before tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 He's still on a grand a week with an 8k yearly receipt free tax free expense account. Dropping your salary from one high amount to a lower but still high amount for doing less work with less responsibility doesn't make someone a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Power gone to HQ's head . I'm the big boss man springs to mind ! Tynwald needs to pass a vote of no confidence in CoMin in order to get rid of Quayle. Quayle would be forced to resign, a new CoMin will then be formed and a new Chief Minister appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorg Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: He's still on a grand a week with an 8k yearly receipt free tax free expense account. Dropping your salary from one high amount to a lower but still high amount for doing less work with less responsibility doesn't make someone a hero. Typical small-minded, myopic viewpoint I'd expect from this island's swamp life. Not everybody is petty and motivated by monetary remuneration: some are motivated by a sense of duty and a passion for improving the lives of others. Chris Thomas could very easily make more money in the private sector -- something you can't say of most in Tynwald. The real loss here is to the island, because Chris Thomas really is a decent guy, competent, intelligent, an egalitarian; and we absolutely need somebody like him to be at the heart of government decision-making, especially while they're acting under emergency powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Is there any need to appoint a new cabinet office minister for policy and reform? It’s a non job at present and likely to be so for any time prior to the next election. With two summer recesses, and Covid likely to dominate until the end of 2020, and the legislative programme full, and running behind, there’s not any time to achieve anything. Agreed, intellectual content of CoMin halved, but common sense and communication, from a very low base, admittedly, doubled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I like this quote from Quayle almost perfect in its irony ... I am a firm believer in diversity of opinion and thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Jun 2015 report from Council of Ministers. CT of all people should have the brains to know how it works. https://www.gov.im/media/1244135/collective_responsibility_report_for_tynwald_members_public.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 hours ago, the stinking enigma said: I still dont really understand. What's the point of having a vote if there's only one option to choose? Why even have a vote? it worked for putin, kim jong, mugabe, etc etc, we know what society we actually live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 I think Howard will move David Ashford to Policy and Reform. Protecting him from what is to come from DHSC, even in the short term after Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Sounds like a perfect job for Cregeen who has disappeared in recent weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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