Alf Cannan's I Have A Dream

[Andy Onchan]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

The question should be that if everyone at MR was made redundant, on what terms (equivalent to civil service terms?) and who would pay? 

Also, does MR have it's own funded pension scheme, ie is it a liability that falls on the IOMG pension scheme? 

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[Non-Believer]

My heart bleeds for each and every one of the cosseted snowflakes. Stress and emotional harm, my arse. Is there any end to the molly-coddling of our PS?

[Happier diner]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

My heart bleeds for each and every one of the cosseted snowflakes. Stress and emotional harm, my arse. Is there any end to the molly-coddling of our PS?

They will be quaking in their boots......not. 

[Two-lane]

8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

They will be quaking in their boots......not. 

They might if they found that they had to pay back-dated car parking charges - but that isn't going to happen either.

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

My heart bleeds for each and every one of the cosseted snowflakes. Stress and emotional harm, my arse. Is there any end to the molly-coddling of our PS?

Looking at Wannenburgh's actual question:

In how many cases overpayment of wages to a public sector employee has taken place in the last three years; what the reasons were; what actions were taken to recover the monies; and what measures have been put in place to alleviate any financial stress and emotional harm to the individuals concerned.

I suspect this is something he's been approached by a constituent about.  The public servant probably isn't someone particularly senior, if it was one of the favoured many it would be quietly written off for fear of upsetting them.  It's most likely a manual worker who's been paid the wrong rate of overtime and they're now trying to claim years' worth of money. 

Assuming it's even valid.  I may just be some 'clever' person in HR trying to 'save' money - rather like when Douglas Council tried to take money off that poor man stuck in Cyprus at the start of Covid.

[2112]

The NPM reports this morning on the length of time being taken by the islands immigration authorities dealing with visas for new employees to the island. Upto to 90 days in some cases. It’s unfortunate that new labour having to be brought in as some indeginous local people don’t wish to work, and are content to draw benefits. One thing I have noticed is for example, one local restaurant, grill and bar chain advertising for staff, both cooking and waiting on staff. 

[hoopsaa]

2 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The NPM reports this morning on the length of time being taken by the islands immigration authorities dealing with visas for new employees to the island. Upto to 90 days in some cases. It’s unfortunate that new labour having to be brought in as some indeginous local people don’t wish to work, and are content to draw benefits. One thing I have noticed is for example, one local restaurant, grill and bar chain advertising for staff, both cooking and waiting on staff. 

It's reckoned about 5% of people are unemployable, our unemployment rate is, what? 3%?

Go figure...  .🙄

[Declan]

10 minutes ago, 2112 said:

The NPM reports this morning on the length of time being taken by the islands immigration authorities dealing with visas for new employees to the island. Upto to 90 days in some cases. It’s unfortunate that new labour having to be brought in as some indeginous local people don’t wish to work, and are content to draw benefits. One thing I have noticed is for example, one local restaurant, grill and bar chain advertising for staff, both cooking and waiting on staff. 

There's 292 unemployed on the island and 837 vaccancies. Of these 24 have been unemployed for over a year.

[Omobono]

12 hours ago, Happier diner said:

They will be quaking in their boots......not. 

its not the ones who have been overpaid they should be looking at , its the ones who were paid to go  that have cost serious money certain senior figures in government just  disappeared , Mars was bad enough and cost government a fortune , and most of those jobs lost under mars have been reborn under another title , 

[reptar]

3 hours ago, 2112 said:

The NPM reports this morning on the length of time being taken by the islands immigration authorities dealing with visas for new employees to the island. Upto to 90 days in some cases.

And this is the problem, I know someone who has applied for a visa to come over for a week (just like they have done lots of times over the last 25 years or so) to visit this summer. It was dealt with immediately in their home country and then it got to the Isle of Man where it sat on a pile for two months with fuck all happening.

Clearly the immigration department is barely functioning (and this is not the fault of the individuals working right on the front line, who seem to be trying their best in very difficult circumstances) and is not fit for purpose. Which is bad enough as it is but the absolute worst thing, the thing that properly grips my fucking piss, is when you get the likes of Alf telling us that he's going to increase the population by 15K. He has absolutely no awareness, self or otherwise, about what is going on. He should be properly embarrassed at the disconnect between the bullshit that comes out of his mouth and what is really happening on the ground. He should be ashamed. But he's not at all because he, and the rest of the MHKs, are operating in their own little bubble where you can say whatever you want and it doesn't need to have any bearing on reality whatsoever. And you definitely don't ever need to actually do something to make it happen, either.

Every single one of these 15K new arrivals is going to need to be either a doctor, nurse, dentist, ATC controller, or immigration clerk. Or, ideally, more than one of these each if we're going to have any hope of keeping things running effectively. Maybe new working visa applicants could start work asap in the immigration department and begin by issuing their own visa and then sorting out some of the rest.

And it's not just immigration it's fucking everything, it's all going tits up, nothing is operating properly (except perhaps the tax office, which needs to function reasonably well obviously, otherwise the other departments will have less money to waste), and all we get are the same bullshit talking, management speaking, wankers achieving absolutely nothing. In fact, not only do they not achieve anything, they wilfully destroy what we already have.

Seriously, as a (usually) mild mannered middle aged man I am getting properly pissed off with them, And speaking to lots of others, I'm not the only one these days.

[Non-Believer]

I had some "interaction" with the visa dept last year, it appears to be staffed with new cs recruits who spend most of their time contradicting each other when dealing with enquiries. Not good.

[Happier diner]

24 minutes ago, reptar said:

And this is the problem, I know someone who has applied for a visa to come over for a week (just like they have done lots of times over the last 25 years or so) to visit this summer. It was dealt with immediately in their home country and then it got to the Isle of Man where it sat on a pile for two months with fuck all happening.

Clearly the immigration department is barely functioning (and this is not the fault of the individuals working right on the front line, who seem to be trying their best in very difficult circumstances) and is not fit for purpose. Which is bad enough as it is but the absolute worst thing, the thing that properly grips my fucking piss, is when you get the likes of Alf telling us that he's going to increase the population by 15K. He has absolutely no awareness, self or otherwise, about what is going on. He should be properly embarrassed at the disconnect between the bullshit that comes out of his mouth and what is really happening on the ground. He should be ashamed. But he's not at all because he, and the rest of the MHKs, are operating in their own little bubble where you can say whatever you want and it doesn't need to have any bearing on reality whatsoever. And you definitely don't ever need to actually do something to make it happen, either.

Every single one of these 15K new arrivals is going to need to be either a doctor, nurse, dentist, ATC controller, or immigration clerk. Or, ideally, more than one of these each if we're going to have any hope of keeping things running effectively. Maybe new working visa applicants could start work asap in the immigration department and begin by issuing their own visa and then sorting out some of the rest.

And it's not just immigration it's fucking everything, it's all going tits up, nothing is operating properly (except perhaps the tax office, which needs to function reasonably well obviously, otherwise the other departments will have less money to waste), and all we get are the same bullshit talking, management speaking, wankers achieving absolutely nothing. In fact, not only do they not achieve anything, they wilfully destroy what we already have.

Seriously, as a (usually) mild mannered middle aged man I am getting properly pissed off with them, And speaking to lots of others, I'm not the only one these days.

Are we talking visas or work permits?

[english zloty]

43 minutes ago, reptar said:

And this is the problem, I know someone who has applied for a visa to come over for a week (just like they have done lots of times over the last 25 years or so) to visit this summer. It was dealt with immediately in their home country and then it got to the Isle of Man where it sat on a pile for two months with fuck all happening.

Clearly the immigration department is barely functioning (and this is not the fault of the individuals working right on the front line, who seem to be trying their best in very difficult circumstances) and is not fit for purpose. Which is bad enough as it is but the absolute worst thing, the thing that properly grips my fucking piss, is when you get the likes of Alf telling us that he's going to increase the population by 15K. He has absolutely no awareness, self or otherwise, about what is going on. He should be properly embarrassed at the disconnect between the bullshit that comes out of his mouth and what is really happening on the ground. He should be ashamed. But he's not at all because he, and the rest of the MHKs, are operating in their own little bubble where you can say whatever you want and it doesn't need to have any bearing on reality whatsoever. And you definitely don't ever need to actually do something to make it happen, either.

Every single one of these 15K new arrivals is going to need to be either a doctor, nurse, dentist, ATC controller, or immigration clerk. Or, ideally, more than one of these each if we're going to have any hope of keeping things running effectively. Maybe new working visa applicants could start work asap in the immigration department and begin by issuing their own visa and then sorting out some of the rest.

And it's not just immigration it's fucking everything, it's all going tits up, nothing is operating properly (except perhaps the tax office, which needs to function reasonably well obviously, otherwise the other departments will have less money to waste), and all we get are the same bullshit talking, management speaking, wankers achieving absolutely nothing. In fact, not only do they not achieve anything, they wilfully destroy what we already have.

Seriously, as a (usually) mild mannered middle aged man I am getting properly pissed off with them, And speaking to lots of others, I'm not the only one these days.

Stay away from facebook then if you don't want to be disappointed. the quality of questions there beggars belief.

~Hi, i'm locating to the island and wondering are there any - schools, taxes, places to stable a horse, places for me my five kids and three dogs to rent.

[reptar]

28 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Are we talking visas or work permits?

Visas, I was being facetious about 'working visas'. Although perhaps every one who is issued a work permit has to do a month in immigration before they start their actual job. Problem solved!

Edited May 6 by reptar

[Roger Mexico]

20 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

I had some "interaction" with the visa dept last year, it appears to be staffed with new cs recruits who spend most of their time contradicting each other when dealing with enquiries. Not good.

No but not surprising either.  If you look at the current immigration rules, they're 928 pages long and have changed five times in the last year.  What is more the office will probably be so small that staff won't be able to specialise in a particular type of visa, so they'll have to know all of it.