Max Power Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, manxman1980 said: It really isn't funny though is it? Why? Because it promotes exactly the irrational islamophobia you say is a problem. I happen to know many muslims and not one of them is a terrorist or trying to take over the country. They are hardworking, volunteer in the local community (not just in Islamic communities) and the majority I encounter work in health care. I suppose you're right, but like everything it depends how seriously you take it I guess? I know a lot of Muslims too, and agree with you. Although it's a pity that they can't get a handle on the extremist side of their community. It does sometimes appear that there is an unwillingness to denounce them for fear of either reprisals, or being seen to be disloyal to Islam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 23 minutes ago, Max Power said: I suppose you're right, but like everything it depends how seriously you take it I guess? I know a lot of Muslims too, and agree with you. Although it's a pity that they can't get a handle on the extremist side of their community. It does sometimes appear that there is an unwillingness to denounce them for fear of either reprisals, or being seen to be disloyal to Islam? The whites really need to get a handle on the likes of Lucy Letby and Mira Hindley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, HeliX said: The whites really need to get a handle on the likes of Lucy Letby and Mira Hindley. That's a daft analogy? Those two are hardly a group of people preaching hatred of the country where they live and all who are not part of their group, are they? Every country has evil mentally ill murderers in their midst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Max Power said: That's a daft analogy? Those two are hardly a group of people preaching hatred of the country where they live and all who are not part of their group, are they? Every country has evil mentally ill murderers in their midst. Are all Christians responsible for the behaviour of the Westboro Baptist Church? No other group than Muslims are given this ridiculous shared responsibility for the dickheads who are slightly adjacent to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: Are all Christians responsible for the behaviour of the Westboro Baptist Church? No other group than Muslims are given this ridiculous shared responsibility for the dickheads who are slightly adjacent to them. Unfortunately as we all know the likes of Abu Hamza and others preached extremism disguised by the Koran... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 49 minutes ago, HeliX said: Are all Christians responsible for the behaviour of the Westboro Baptist Church? No other group than Muslims are given this ridiculous shared responsibility for the dickheads who are slightly adjacent to them. Well it would be a good point if there were Westboro Baptist Churches in every town and city around the world, with members calling for the death of anyone who doesn't accept their teachings. Calling for the death of anyone who draws a picture of Jesus, or accidentally damages a bible. Islam hides under the guise of a religion when it is much more than that, it's a totalitarian ideology which invades all aspects of life, including politics. Whilst I accept that most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims. It's up to Muslims to sort out their 'brothers' because it seems that the West just appeases the dickheads because attacking them is not supported by Muslims in general! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, Max Power said: Islam hides under the guise of a religion when it is much more than that, it's a totalitarian ideology which invades all aspects of life, including politics. Whilst I accept that most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims. It's up to Muslims to sort out their 'brothers' because it seems that the West just appeases the dickheads because attacking them is not supported by Muslims in general! Arguably the MAGA movement in the US is the equivalent of the perceived Islamic extremism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 8 hours ago, Max Power said: Well it would be a good point if there were Westboro Baptist Churches in every town and city around the world, with members calling for the death of anyone who doesn't accept their teachings. Calling for the death of anyone who draws a picture of Jesus, or accidentally damages a bible. Islam hides under the guise of a religion when it is much more than that, it's a totalitarian ideology which invades all aspects of life, including politics. Whilst I accept that most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims. It's up to Muslims to sort out their 'brothers' because it seems that the West just appeases the dickheads because attacking them is not supported by Muslims in general! If you're a Muslim you keep your head covered and your mouth shut. It's better that way. It doesn't do to go against the faith if you know what's good for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 12 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Arguably the MAGA movement in the US is the equivalent of the perceived Islamic extremism Not really comparable at all, fortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 46 minutes ago, Max Power said: Not really comparable at all, fortunately. A bunch of gun carrying, religious extremists with a cult like devotion and unable to listen to reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 5 hours ago, manxman1980 said: A bunch of gun carrying, religious extremists with a cult like devotion and unable to listen to reason. Not exactly on the same scale or with the same motivations or actions, once Trump is gone it will dissipate, the two are incomparable. The MAGA thing is political, not in any way a religious ideology. There are a lot of people carrying guns in the US, they don't all support Trump or have extreme views. Trump supporters have a way to go to match this: https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/ If they are killing on average 5,000 people per annum, mainly other Muslims, it's not irrational to wonder what they would do to us. Edited March 16 by Max Power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Trump is very popular in America because he speaks in a language they understand. String em up I say. He’s a populist who says what he thinks will make the white Bible Belt vote for him. Essentially he believes in nothing but his own hype. Most gun carriers in the US do support Trump ( at least the ones I’ve met do ). There is a very good chance he’ll win again although I hope not. Most sane Americans think Biden has done a good job. If you avoid the hysteria and look at the facts he actually has. And he’s not senile but does have a good team which helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 21 hours ago, Max Power said: Not exactly on the same scale or with the same motivations or actions, once Trump is gone it will dissipate, the two are incomparable. The MAGA thing is political, not in any way a religious ideology. There are a lot of people carrying guns in the US, they don't all support Trump or have extreme views. Trump supporters have a way to go to match this: https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/ If they are killing on average 5,000 people per annum, mainly other Muslims, it's not irrational to wonder what they would do to us. Let's see what happens come November and the US Election. If Trump doesn't win all hell may break loose. They have tried an insurrection once. Don't be surprised if they do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Let's see what happens come November and the US Election. If Trump doesn't win all hell may break loose. They have tried an insurrection once. Don't be surprised if they do it again. I have no time for Trump or his policies, if they can be called that. That so called insurrection was nothing compared to what happened on October 7th in Israel for example. It amounted to a bit of an invasion of the Capitol building, although serious from an American point of view it seemed more of a demonstration than an actual serious attempt at insurrection with proper aims. If it had really got out of hand I'm sure it would have been robustly dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) All fundamentalists and conspiracy nutters are dangerous. Fundamentalist evangelical Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are two sides of the same coin. Just the same as Reform and Momentum are the mirror images of each other. Anderson is an opportunist. For most of his political life he has been a socialist. He was a member of Scargill's NUM. He represents the kind of people who blame others or the London government for their own failure at life. He knows that, most likely, he will lose his seat at the next UK General Election. But he has carved out a lucrative retirement career as a populist TV spoke - in an era when only the elderly still watch broadcast TV. The downside for Reform is that they will now only appeal to the sort of people who would want to spend any time in his company. UKIP by contrast had Douglas Carswell who is intelligent, compassionate and middle class. Edited March 17 by genericUserName Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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