Shake me up Judy Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Let's get this right. Without Israel's defences and the co-ordinated international response, including Jordan, that drone and Cruise missile attack would've obliterated much of Israel with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. It was no mere firework display. That was an all-out act of war on the comparable scale of a WW2 thousand bomber raid. Any retaliation would be entirely justified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Let's get this right. Without Israel's defences and the co-ordinated international response, including Jordan, that drone and Cruise missile attack would've obliterated much of Israel with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. It was no mere firework display. That was an all-out act of war on the comparable scale of a WW2 thousand bomber raid. Any retaliation would be entirely justified. Iran is very aware of Israel's defensive capabilities. And they notified the US and Israel of what they were going to launch, and at what targets. They then launched it, and told everyone when it was finished. It was sabre-rattling. Showing that they won't stand for Israel's aggression against their consulate, but that they're not intending to escalate the situation. If Iran wanted to overwhelm the Iron Dome they have more than enough ordinance to do so. It couldn't have obliterated "much of Israel" because they targeted only a couple of military installations in Negev. Edited April 14 by HeliX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 12 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Let's get this right. Without Israel's defences and the co-ordinated international response, including Jordan, that drone and Cruise missile attack would've obliterated much of Israel with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. It was no mere firework display. That was an all-out act of war on the comparable scale of a WW2 thousand bomber raid. Any retaliation would be entirely justified. I don't think this is at all correct. Even the Israelis aren't saying this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 44 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I don't think this is at all correct. Even the Israelis aren't saying this. It isn't. It's wholly made up. Goodness knows what's made him believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 4 hours ago, wrighty said: If I had to guess I'd say the last option. I'm no expert in this by any stretch, but it seems to me that Israel's general response is to go many orders of magnitude in excess of what wronged them. An eye for an eye? More like a thousand eyes, ears, noses, and why not just obliterate a thousand heads and have done with it, for an eye. That line, which I just made up, is possibly also somewhere in Leviticus. Looks like you were right https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68737710 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 minute ago, HeliX said: It isn't. It's wholly made up. Goodness knows what's made him believe it. This is the trouble with this and every conflict, nobody really knows the truth of anything. There is right and wrong on both sides and the truth is distorted to match the narrative of each side. We plebs are left trying to understand things for which there is no answer available, there are still unanswered questions about WW1 and WW2! All we can do is try and see it from all perspectives, and not become too partisan and choose sides to the detriment of all reason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 6 minutes ago, HeliX said: It isn't. It's wholly made up. Goodness knows what's made him believe it. Another Israeli fiction then, like the October 07th attacks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 4 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Another Israeli fiction then, like the October 07th attacks ? Israel hasn't claimed what you said. It's your own fiction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: This is the trouble with this and every conflict, nobody really knows the truth of anything. There is right and wrong on both sides and the truth is distorted to match the narrative of each side. We plebs are left trying to understand things for which there is no answer available, there are still unanswered questions about WW1 and WW2! All we can do is try and see it from all perspectives, and not become too partisan and choose sides to the detriment of all reason! Well the facts of Iran's retaliatory strike are freely available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: There is right and wrong on both sides There is only wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Just now, HeliX said: Well the facts of Iran's retaliatory strike are freely available! Lots of facts are available about a myriad of issues, it seems that the interpretation of those facts is what is questionable. We tend to be swung by confirmation bias on so many things in this and every conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 19 hours ago, HeliX said: This is reductive, ahistorical and stupid, but even if it was true it still makes Netanyahu's strikes in Syria a fucking dumb escalation. "But Miss, he started it!" is an idiotic excuse, even were it not a false one. Two wrongs famously do make a right, after all. More complete ignorance. Are you totally blinded to the bleeding obvious...? It's actually part of a wider policy that is obviously directed towards trying to curb Iran's attempts to foment terrorism in the region that is extending Iran's growing influence. You may recall, but most likely don't knowing you, that in January 2020 a US drone strike killed top Iranian General Qasem Soleimani. He was in charge of Pasdaran "foreign operations" and we all know, or rather most of us know, what that means in practice! It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this latest strike was a result of US intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A wartime opinion poll among Palestinians published Wednesday shows a rise in support for Hamas, which appears to have ticked up even in the devastated Gaza Strip, and an overwhelming rejection of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas, with nearly 90% saying he must resign. The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s stated goal of ending Hamas’ military and governing capabilities. Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes. The PA administers pockets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank and has governed Gaza until a takeover by Hamas militants in 2007. The Palestinians have not held elections in Gaza since 2006 when Hamas won a parliamentary majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 20 minutes ago, P.K. said: More complete ignorance. Are you totally blinded to the bleeding obvious...? It's actually part of a wider policy that is obviously directed towards trying to curb Iran's attempts to foment terrorism in the region that is extending Iran's growing influence. You may recall, but most likely don't knowing you, that in January 2020 a US drone strike killed top Iranian General Qasem Soleimani. He was in charge of Pasdaran "foreign operations" and we all know, or rather most of us know, what that means in practice! There isn't an exemption in international law for believing your cause is just. Or should Iran just strike Bibi's house? Quote It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this latest strike was a result of US intelligence. If it were it wasn't with US blessing, they've demanded Israel inform them in advance if they plan any more strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: There isn't an exemption in international law for believing your cause is just. Or should Iran just strike Bibi's house? If it were it wasn't with US blessing, they've demanded Israel inform them in advance if they plan any more strikes. The US feeds intelligence to Israel all the time. It is highly likely that those Iranians killed in Syria had something to do with the Hamas assault. Which explains the strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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