P.K. Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, HeliX said: No reasonable observer would claim that that makes it "clear that the majority support Hamas". For balance it's also not evidence that the majority don't support Hamas. It's simply not something that any meaningful conclusion can be drawn from because it doesn't even involve current residents of the place. How many more times do you have to be told? Hatred is deliberately passed down generation to generation to keep the conflict alive. Encouraged by Iran. People in Gaza refer to Hamas as " Resistance Fighters". No prize for knowing why... The formation of a "Palestinian State" that will never happen for the reasons I have already stated will not stop the hatred and attacks on Israel anyway. Egypt, an Arab state, will not open the border for aid to pass through. Probably because they have already realised that Israel is here to stay and in any event they don't want to import any preachers of hatred. Have you got that? A permanent Israel and no Palestinian State. So the only way forward is to accept the status quo like others already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: How many more times do you have to be told? Hatred is deliberately passed down generation to generation to keep the conflict alive. Encouraged by Iran. People in Gaza refer to Hamas as " Resistance Fighters". No prize for knowing why... The formation of a "Palestinian State" that will never happen for the reasons I have already stated will not stop the hatred and attacks on Israel anyway. Egypt, an Arab state, will not open the border for aid to pass through. Probably because they have already realised that Israel is here to stay and in any event they don't want to import any preachers of hatred. Have you got that? A permanent Israel and no Palestinian State. So the only way forward is to accept the status quo like others already have. Absolutely none of that relates to the fact that you cannot draw the conclusion you've drawn from the evidence of that election, regardless of how many times you claim you can, or how many times you claim "hate is deliberately passed down" (from the minority who voted for Hamas in that election?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheTeapot Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 "They did it to themselves" - The IDF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: "They did it to themselves" - The IDF Place your bets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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P.K. Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, HeliX said: Absolutely none of that relates to the fact that you cannot draw the conclusion you've drawn from the evidence of that election, regardless of how many times you claim you can, or how many times you claim "hate is deliberately passed down" (from the minority who voted for Hamas in that election?) I personally don't care if you agree or not because as you have shown your grasp of the situation is not very good. Take the casualty chart you put up. I think it simply shows what happens when idiots take on a modern, well-trained, well-equipped army. How is it you can't see that...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 hours ago, manxman1980 said: @P.K. you often cite James O'brien. Any reason you are choosing not to do so on this topic? @manxman1980 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: I personally don't care if you agree or not because as you have shown your grasp of the situation is not very good. Take the casualty chart you put up. I think it simply shows what happens when idiots take on a modern, well-trained, well-equipped army. How is it you can't see that...? The chart was evidence that killing Palestinians doesn't make Hamas go away. Nor will it this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Wars on terror work really well and so will this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, HeliX said: The chart was evidence that killing Palestinians doesn't make Hamas go away. Nor will it this time. The reason it will not make them cease hostile acts on Israel which get them killed is what exactly...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Do you have to adopt that supercilious attitude all the time? It’s a real turn off for anyone reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: Do you have to adopt that supercilious attitude all the time? It’s a real turn off for anyone reading. Getting fed up with having to explain the bleeding obvious. But point taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, P.K. said: The reason it will not make them cease hostile acts on Israel which get them killed is what exactly...? The conditions they live in/under. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 PK licks boots, pass it on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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