Brexit Penny Dropping?

[P.K.]

13 hours ago, ManxTaxPayer said:

Christ on a bike, you're even getting laughs for it. Unbelievable. 

Of course.

All those who voted for brexit didn't have the faintest idea what brexit they were voting for. Was it Canada, Canada +, Canada ++, Norway, any nonsense dreamt up by Rees Mogg and his favourite fag Mark Francois and the rest of the Looney Tunes that make up the ERG, or the tax avoidance policies of newspaper owning Non-Doms or whatever...?

Consequently, as brexit turns into the shit sandwich that they were all warned it would be, expect more "laughs" as it's a lot easier to bug "laughs" than it ever will be to try and justify the obvious massive folly that is the stupidity of pissing away the best deal in the best trading bloc on the planet due to lies, stupidity and racism thinly described as "immigration"...

Edited September 20, 2021 by P.K.

[Holte End]

Not just for the UK.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/priorities/brexit/20210902STO11114/how-the-eu-will-help-mitigate-the-impact-of-brexit

 

 

[the stinking enigma]

I think brexit was an american ideal.

[manxman1980]

10 hours ago, P.K. said:

All those who voted for brexit didn't have the faintest idea what brexit they were voting for.

They knew what they were voting for.  They wanted the UK to leave the EU for a whole myriad of reasons and that is what they got.  That is why it is impossible to have a sensible discussion with a true brexiteer.  They won and the UK has left the EU and that is what they ultimately wanted.

The rest is not that important to them.  They don't really care about international trade, "red tape", the NHS or anything else.  This is why the UK Government keeps spewing out so much BS to make the brexiteers feel like things have actually changed like;

- Being able to use imperial measurements which the EU had "banned".

- Being able to have a crown on a pint glass which the EU had "banned".

- More money going to the NHS despite the fact that this was prompted by the pandemic and is ultimately being funded via tax rises rather than any Brexit savings.  

- Securing COVID-19 vaccines which could have been done even if the UK had been part of the EU.

 

[ManxTaxPayer]

For the benefit of Roxanne and The Voice of Reason. *

 

 

 

 

*(Although it doesn't work if you have to explain it)

[ManxTaxPayer]

I wouldn't have bothered if you hadn't wet your knickers at the Voice of Reason's dumb post.

[The Voice of Reason]

8 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

They knew what they were voting for.  They wanted the UK to leave the EU for a whole myriad of reasons and that is what they got.  That is why it is impossible to have a sensible discussion with a true brexiteer.  They won and the UK has left the EU and that is what they ultimately wanted.

The rest is not that important to them.  They don't really care about international trade, "red tape", the NHS or anything else.  This is why the UK Government keeps spewing out so much BS to make the brexiteers feel like things have actually changed like;

- Being able to use imperial measurements which the EU had "banned".

- Being able to have a crown on a pint glass which the EU had "banned".

- More money going to the NHS despite the fact that this was prompted by the pandemic and is ultimately being funded via tax rises rather than any Brexit savings.  

- Securing COVID-19 vaccines which could have been done even if the UK had been part of the EU.

 

Yes they knew what they were voting for. Returning sovereignty to the UK and it was right that the wishes of the majority as determined in the referendum were implemented. Sure there will be road bumps along the way, bound to be when disengaging from an institution you’ve been a member for decades.

The same is true of South Africa abandoning apartheid. (Though fortunately the very worst predictions of mayhem and carnage turned out not to be the case.)

You don’t not do the right thing for avoiding short term inconvenience.

And for those that want to tarnish Brexit supporters as “thinly veiled racists” this is beyond contempt and shows the lengths that Remainers will go to in pursuing their lost cause.

And yes ,not that it matters much but is indicative of the extent that the EU wished to impose their will and homogenise everything, why could the UK not have the crown stamp on a pint glass whist in the UK.? This is EU control freakery not an urban myth.

I love visiting Europe and seeing the different cultures.

Vive la difference!

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by The Voice of Reason

[TheTeapot]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yes they knew what they were voting for. Returning sovereignty to the UK 

 

What does this mean?

[The Voice of Reason]

21 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

What does this mean?

In the most important and far reaching sense, not being subjected to laws made elsewhere by people, the majority of which were not put in the position to do so by the UK electorate.

Did you not follow this argument during the referendum debate.? It was made very clear.

To give you an easily understood illustration. Say Tynwald surrended its law making powers to Westminster, (and maybe allowed one MP in return pro rata )

Hope that helps

 

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by The Voice of Reason

[pongo]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

In the most important and far reaching sense, not being subjected to laws made elsewhere by people, the majority of which were not put in the position to do so by the UK electorate.

Did you not follow this argument during the referendum debate.? It was made very clear.

To give you an easily understood illustration. Say Tynwald surrended its law making powers to Westminster, (and maybe allowed one MP in return pro rata )

Hope that helps

Whom. And surrendered.

Edited September 20, 2021 by pongo

[pongo]

Imagine if Liverpool surrended its lawmaking powers to London MPs. The majority of which were not chosen by the Liverpool electorate.

Most of what the IOM does is effectively decided elsewhere. Not only foreign and military policy.

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

The same is true of South Africa abandoning apartheid. (Though fortunately the very worst predictions of mayhem and carnage turned out not to be the case.)

The end of apartheid was a good thing but South Africa has hardly been without chaos and mayhem since then.

The end of Apartheid and Brexit are very different things though and hardly comparable.

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

In the most important and far reaching sense, not being subjected to laws made elsewhere by people, the majority of which were not put in the position to do so by the UK electorate.

The Government in Westminster is only in power because of the UK's first past the Post system.  More people voted against the Conservative party than voted for them.  Doesn't seem very democratic...

What about the population of Scotland who don't seem to want to be ruled from Westminster?  

[pongo]

The one positive from Brexit is that it seems to be accelerating the (inevitable anyhow) end of the partition of Ireland.

Edited September 20, 2021 by pongo

[The Voice of Reason]

2 minutes ago, pongo said:

Imagine if Liverpool surrended its lawmaking powers to London MPs. The majority of which were not chosen by the Liverpool electorate.

That has to be one of the most stupid things I have read on here. It’s like saying imagine if Port St Mary surrendered its law making powers to Ramsey MHKs. The majority of which ( perfectly accept to use “which” in this context ) were not chosen by the Port St Mary electorate. It simply does not make sense. Liverpool and London voters are part of the same electorate so how could either surrender law making powers to the other?

I have let myself down by responding to your nonsense. I should not have bitten 

[The Voice of Reason]

10 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

The end of apartheid was a good thing but South Africa has hardly been without chaos and mayhem since then.

The end of Apartheid and Brexit are very different things though and hardly comparable.

Very different indeed but the common denominator is that they both involve constitutional change. Which requires a period of adjustment.