A fool and his money..... Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, snowman said: https://gef.im/2022/07/19/cannan-outlines-bold-economic-strategy/ 100,000 population Excellent plan Hopefully solve the ecomically active population problem, rebalance the demographic, enhance the health service. Until they retire and or get sick, then what? Will we need another 30,000 to balance everything again? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, cissolt said: We have had more time spent this year discussing cars idling outside schools than this or the island plan . Is the KPMG report viewable anywhere? Or is this another secret briefing? I have no idea, I genuinely thought it was the KPMG report about the economy etc. It seems this little production is like the last load of rubbish - Our Island Plan, published last October/November and again like this one, full of fluff, nice words, pretty pictures and waffle. No doubt our elected politicos will lap it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Until they retire and or get sick, then what? Will we need another 30,000 to balance everything again? Depends how many children they have and how many of those children we manage to retain after they leave school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Same old 'route one' economic policy that we've heard many times over the last fifty years. KPMG have just looked at what IOM Govt are doing anyway (Building ever more houses and selling them to overseas investors), fancied it up and sold it back to them like it's some wonderful strategy. Kerr-ching. This isn't a new model, isn't going to solve anything and will just make the structural problems of the Manx economy bigger. It'll please the usual people though. Tell people what you think they want to hear. Don’t worry about specifics, the public won’t understand, so lots of bullshit and nice pictures of the artists impression of the Old Nurses Home, to show people, that Chris Thomas is concerned with Housing ( I think he is up to his eyes in it and if he doesn’t get a grip, he will soon tire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Same old 'route one' economic policy that we've heard many times over the last fifty years. KPMG have just looked at what IOM Govt are doing anyway (Building ever more houses and selling them to overseas investors), fancied it up and sold it back to them like it's some wonderful strategy. Kerr-ching. This isn't a new model, isn't going to solve anything and will just make the structural problems of the Manx economy bigger. It'll please the usual people though. We've been talking about increasing the Island's population to @ 100k for at least the last 35 years. The only thing that has grown by the wishful amount is the size of Govt. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, HeliX said: Depends how many children they have and how many of those children we manage to retain after they leave school. Precisely. Government should be concentrating on making the island somewhere where people want to live rather than paying them to come and live with what we've got. Look at the happiest countries in the world, they have fair and equitable societies with plenty of opportunity for young and old. Here we have tax breaks for millionaires, food banks and employment incentives that differ depending on where you come from. We have an environmental policy which consists of heavily subsidising rich EV owners, while at the same time reducing services on our expensive, unreliable public transport system in favour of cruise ship passengers. The island has some amazing natural attributes and has an awful lot going for it - it wouldn't take much to make it somewhere people want to live and work, rather than needing to throw thousands at them to do so. 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Precisely. Government should be concentrating on making the island somewhere where people want to live rather than paying them to come and live with what we've got. Look at the happiest countries in the world, they have fair and equitable societies with plenty of opportunity for young and old. Here we have tax breaks for millionaires, food banks and employment incentives that differ depending on where you come from. We have an environmental policy which consists of heavily subsidising rich EV owners, while at the same time reducing services on our expensive, unreliable public transport system in favour of cruise ship passengers. The island has some amazing natural attributes and has an awful lot going for it - it wouldn't take much to make it somewhere people want to live and work, rather than needing to throw thousands at them to do so. The island is badly let down by its politicos and civil servants. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: We've been talking about increasing the Island's population to @ 100k for at least the last 35 years. The only thing that has grown by the wishful amount is the size of Govt. There are approx 86,000 population currently. The growth rate for some time has been approx 500 pa. So on current rates would take some 28 years to achieve. It will be interesting to see what is planned to speed up this target being met. "The mean net migration rate to the Island from 1976 to 2016 was 480 people per year. This is similar to the Government’s current target of 500 per annum." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Same old 'route one' economic policy that we've heard many times over the last fifty years. KPMG have just looked at what IOM Govt are doing anyway (Building ever more houses and selling them to overseas investors), fancied it up and sold it back to them like it's some wonderful strategy. Kerr-ching. This isn't a new model, isn't going to solve anything and will just make the structural problems of the Manx economy bigger. It'll please the usual people though. Absolutely this. MUA will already be working on their business case for a new reservoir and the additional sewerage funding will be nodded through. Last time MUA,then WA, just refused to support planning applications until they got their own way (2003 housing crisis). Then planning (see new built environment strategy) goes by the wayside. Then developers struggle to get staff, pushing up the cost. Never mind Manx Development Corporation will solve all problems with the Nurses Home - hardly 1000 folk housed there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, emesde said: There are approx 86,000 population currently. The growth rate for some time has been approx 500 pa. So on current rates would take some 28 years to achieve. It will be interesting to see what is planned to speed up this target being met. "The mean net migration rate to the Island from 1976 to 2016 was 480 people per year. This is similar to the Government’s current target of 500 per annum." The plan is proposing 1000 per year. Double what has been achieved even after relocation costs and NI holidays from .locate. And with loads going into Manx Care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, emesde said: There are approx 86,000 population currently. The growth rate for some time has been approx 500 pa. So on current rates would take some 28 years to achieve. It will be interesting to see what is planned to speed up this target being met. "The mean net migration rate to the Island from 1976 to 2016 was 480 people per year. This is similar to the Government’s current target of 500 per annum." The population was proved to have fallen at the last but one Census. They will need to work on the causes of that to prevent any reoccurrence if this ambition is to be realised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said: In my own ill informed opinion. I think it is more of a plan for keeping the civil service happy . When asked if this would increase the size of government he replied, we would need more doctors dentists nurses and the such. When the question was meant to mean will the civil service be expanding. Which we all know it is like the universe ever expanding. And always needing new contributers us. It is indeed a plan for corporatist government, as you might expect from the person appointed to the top job It's unlikely to be entirely successful as only a faction of the population support him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Ahh but is it the right faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: The population was proved to have fallen at the last but one Census. They will need to work on the causes of that to prevent any reoccurrence if this ambition is to be realised. Waffle, Waffle and more Waffle. Let’s have a Tynwald Select Committee, that will put things right 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, 2112 said: Who actually came up with this drivel? Allinson? CM Cannan? Ashford? Ex CM Quayle? Or Rob Callister …………….. improbable I know? A triumvirate of Cannan+Lord-Brennan+Poole-Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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