Kopek Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 They earn wages, they pay taxes, they spend their wages into our economy putting more money in our pockets, we earn more , we pay more in tax and spend our extra into the economy and that makes us, who have been prior to the growth, better off and the feelgood factor means we are all far happier than at the present time. Do you think for one moment that Dandara could not step up their building program if they can see the market for it???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 What's the difference between an Island Campus and the Chinese catering school or university college (whatever it's called this week)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Roxanne said: where the hospital, doctors’ surgeries, dentists, schools do not have enough staff to cope Presumably part of fixing that is having more people, no? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Roxanne said: But, won’t they also have more people to take care of and teach? But yes, maybe you’re right. Maybe it will all work out just fine. Depends on who you manage to attract, I suppose. If the extra 20,000 have a higher medical:non-medical ratio than the existing population you'd expect better services as a result. Govt should be seriously looking at reducing civil service numbers, perhaps increasing taxes (or removing/raising the cap), and reducing spending on non-essential services to increase funding and hire more medical staff in the short term though, irrespective of any of the extra 20k stuff. EDIT: And if we actually manage to attract a better economically active : non-economically active ratio in the 20k, then there's much more money for raising pay for nurses/doctors and attracting more of them.. Edited July 19, 2022 by HeliX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I know I can be very naive at times but would someone please tell me the advantages of encouraging 15k more people to live on an island where the house buying and rental properties are in short supply, where the hospital, doctors’ surgeries, dentists, schools do not have enough staff to cope with current numbers as it is and there are huge waiting lists. What is the secret I’m missing about why this is a good idea? Tax revenue. They need it desperately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 49% not economically active. All pensioners? Or too rich to work? Government need to reduce headcount and wasteful spending on vanity projects or just piss poor decisions. We can start with the majority of HEOs and above, add in the MLCs and half the mhks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeliX said: Depends on who you manage to attract, I suppose. If the extra 20,000 have a higher medical:non-medical ratio than the existing population you'd expect better services as a result. Govt should be seriously looking at reducing civil service numbers, perhaps increasing taxes (or removing/raising the cap), and reducing spending on non-essential services to increase funding and hire more medical staff in the short term though, irrespective of any of the extra 20k stuff. EDIT: And if we actually manage to attract a better economically active : non-economically active ratio in the 20k, then there's much more money for raising pay for nurses/doctors and attracting more of them.. they will all have families , more schools doctors dentists more road works more reservoirs more sewage treatment more hospital beds more vehicles then more old peoples homes more social problems , it would be great if they could perhaps build a decent infrastructure for those that are here already than having to continually play catch up , and finally the crunch more civil servants ,more red tape , more crime , more red tape , this grow the population could turn out to be a disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Omobono said: this grow the population could turn out to be a disaster The current state is a disaster, though. Having half the population economically inactive and being unable to retain our young and our 20-30y/o workers is going to lead to terrible outcomes. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Omobono said: they will all have families , more schools doctors dentists more road works more reservoirs more sewage treatment more hospital beds more vehicles then more old peoples homes more social problems , it would be great if they could perhaps build a decent infrastructure for those that are here already than having to continually play catch up , and finally the crunch more civil servants ,more red tape , more crime , more red tape , this grow the population could turn out to be a disaster More horse trams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Expect some arguments on the Non active side tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Kopek said: Expect some arguments on the Non active side tho? Non economically active? We need an island of workers, not an island of shirkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, HeliX said: The current state is a disaster, though. Having half the population economically inactive and being unable to retain our young and our 20-30y/o workers is going to lead to terrible outcomes. You're right - although your faith in the government is optimistic. After all, a good proportion of the economically inactive have been imported, many while already economically inactive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, HeliX said: The current state is a disaster, though. Having half the population economically inactive and being unable to retain our young and our 20-30y/o workers is going to lead to terrible outcomes. So the young people move away. The old people get older and die. The island becomes unpopulated, reverts to its natural state and becomes a huge carbon sink. Sounds like a reasonable plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Two-lane said: So the young people move away. The old people get older and die. The island becomes unpopulated, reverts to its natural state and becomes a huge carbon sink. Sounds like a reasonable plan. That will please Daffys Climate Change Mob as smaller population will lead to less demand on the environment, less pollution etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, 2112 said: That will please Daffys Climate Change Mob as smaller population will lead to less demand on the environment, less pollution etc. Won't fund her 70K though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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