Allinson ~ assisted dying won't be the "cause of death" to get life insurance payouts

[John Wright]

30 minutes ago, Max Power said:

It may help IoM Post's fall in profits too as ashes are posted around the world?

That’s illegal, against PO T&C’s, also against courier firm T&C’s and airline T&C’’s

[Jarndyce]

2 hours ago, Gladys said:

2 hours ago, Fred the shred said:

With most terminal illnesses the pain relieving medication usually plays a big part in the death and when people are put on the Liverpool Pathway that involves depriving patients of food and drink, a really cruel death would that not be a similar issue.    The patient has to be terminally ill with a prognosis of 6 months maximum, as I read it and the cause of death would be the illness I would say.    It will be a difficult one to define but I think it is worth the effort.

Do we still use the Liverpool pathway?

https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/liverpool-care-pathway-dropped-on-island/#:~:text=The use of the Liverpool,will be phasing it out.

[Max Power]

11 minutes ago, John Wright said:

That’s illegal, against PO T&C’s, also against courier firm T&C’s and airline T&C’’s

Really, I didn't know that? 

How do these Simple Cremation companies go about it, personal collection only?

[kevster]

36 minutes ago, John Wright said:

That’s illegal, against PO T&C’s, also against courier firm T&C’s and airline T&C’’s

Really? A friend of mine was cremated in Italy and their ashes came to the island

[John Wright]

23 minutes ago, kevster said:

Really? A friend of mine was cremated in Italy and their ashes came to the island

 

47 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Really, I didn't know that? 

How do these Simple Cremation companies go about it, personal collection only?

You have to get all sorts of certificates. Health declarations. You can’t just pitch up and take them on board or pop them in the post.

Its regularly organised  by undertakers, but they’ve an expertise, and they don’t use post or most courier firms..

I think the post office operate a 50gm de minimis rule domestically.

There are uk specialist domestic delivery firms. They charge about £400 door to door.

Hermes is the only UK courier who will ship domestically, they exclude compensation for human remains.

[WTF]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

 

You have to get all sorts of certificates. Health declarations. You can’t just pitch up and take them on board or pop them in the post.

Its regularly done by undertakers, but they’ve an expertise.

so in short it's not illegal you just have to fill forms in , like sending so called dangerous goods.

[John Wright]

5 minutes ago, WTF said:

so in short it's not illegal you just have to fill forms in , like sending so called dangerous goods.

They scan, apparently human remains are distinctive, if found they impound. You’re breaching contract. That’s illegal. I didn’t say criminal!

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

They scan, apparently human remains are distinctive, if found they impound. You’re breaching contract. That’s illegal. I didn’t say criminal!

What about a passenger carrying them on the boat? 

[John Wright]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

What about a passenger carrying them on the boat? 

A. It’s domestic. B. Not checked SPCo T&C’s. C. They’d never know if it was in your car. D. As they scan you and your hand luggage you certainly couldn’t use a metal urn.

The issue with international is different regulations in country of origin and destination plus carrier restrictions. Most airlines allow as hand luggage, pre declared, accompanied by death certificate, cremation certificate, health declaration AND not in an urn.

[Gladys]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

A. It’s domestic. B. Not checked SPCo T&C’s. C. They’d never know if it was in your car. D. As they scan you and your hand luggage you certainly couldn’t use a metal urn.

I checked the terms, can't see anything there. 

[Lilly]

6 hours ago, Gladys said:

Do we still use the Liverpool pathway?

Unfortunately, l had to ask this very question; and the answer was most definitely No.

[The Voice of Reason]

3 hours ago, John Wright said:

 

You have to get all sorts of certificates. Health declarations. You can’t just pitch up and take them on board or pop them in the post.

Its regularly organised  by undertakers, but they’ve an expertise, and they don’t use post or most courier firms..

I’m sure what you’re saying is right John. 

But why?

What sort of expertise do you need to transport human ashes? ( assuming they’ve cooled down)

ETA I scattered my late mothers ashes ( locally) . Not like they are hazardous materials

Edited October 22, 2023 by The Voice of Reason

[woolley]

6 hours ago, Max Power said:

The Courier has just landed on the doormat, stating that one third of the island's doctors are prepared to leave if assisted dying is introduced!

 

How is it anything to do with anybody other than the terminally ill person of sound mind? Tynwald should not be swayed by pressure from any group seeking to impose its views on others and prolong their suffering.

[Lilly]

4 minutes ago, woolley said:

How is it anything to do with anybody other than the terminally ill person of sound mind? Tynwald should not be swayed by pressure from any group seeking to impose its views on others and prolong their suffering.

Most definitely!  It's the choice of the terminal ill person.  No one else, whether that might be to fight their illness to their very last breath or die in the way they choose,  of course,we must ensure the person is capable of making this decision.

[Cambon]

I am not sure I see a problem. A number of insurance companies pay out on notification of a terminal illness, prior to death. In which case assisted dying, and the death certificate would be virtually irrelevant.