Hospitality Call to Arms!

[Max Power]

4 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Basically CiD, traffic, family protection, training all rerostered duties to enhance weekend cover. Nobody "suffered" except those that chose to cause trouble. The cells were full every weekend, with people who were arrested as early as possible to avoid escalation and people getting hurt. 

The operation won an international award. 

I have no knowledge about some 'scouse bouncer being brought in' but it sounds about as plausible as the Island Plan

Killjoys?

So stopping women getting sexually assaulted,  people ending up with life changing injuries and the like?

Where do you get your kicks? Casualty Department? 

It really wasn't fun. 

If we really want our night time economy to be dominated by lagered-up cokeheads, leaving a Kipling smog of cake flavoured vape steam wafting behind then as they mill their way through the town, then that's for the public to decide. Its certainly the atmosphere in most provincial towns over here and it isn't pleasant. 

There's a creeping culture of what someone described the other day as 'entitled lawlessness' in the UK. Let's hope that it doesn't jump species and take hold on the Island.

As a police officer Derek, I'm certain that you will agree that you see a lot of things differently to the majority of well behaved people who are out for a weekend, and are always looking for signs of escalation? In my time I've seen escalation because of the police presence on quite a few occasions, this has either been over zealousness or the cops actually fancying a bit of action themselves. 

You'll never convince me that the operation to decimate the nightlife of Douglas was a good thing for the public in general. If it won an international award, I'll go out on a limb and say that it was an international policing award, rather than an award for promoting a conjugal nightlife environment?  

[Gizo]

5 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Killjoys?

So stopping women getting sexually assaulted,  people ending up with life changing injuries and the like?

Where do you get your kicks? Casualty Department? 

What the fuck you on about. 
 

yes killjoys. Typical copper using some Netflix headlines to make some sort of statement. 
let’s stop all activities because the police don’t want to do their job. 
your using the same argument as the peel copper. Stay indoors at all times. 

[Banker]

16 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said:

There you go again. As far as I'm aware  domestic building work in the UK is all taxed @ 20% VAT. Here materials supplied and fitted are 5%, new builds 0%.

If they can alter the rates for building work, they can alter the rates for hospitality too.

But obviously you're an expert on our VAT arrangements as well as company directors and can't lower yourself to share your vast knowledge with us plebs, so you'll just be condescending as usual.

We can’t alter VAT without UK permission as has already been made clear to you, here’s the relevant VAT requirements from UK Government websites 

 

Reduced rate VAT

You may be able to charge the reduced rate of 5% for some types of work if it meets certain conditions, including:

• installing energy saving products and certain work for people over 60
• converting a building into a house or flats or from one residential use to another
• renovating an empty house or flat
• home improvements to a domestic property on the Isle of Man

Find out how to work out VAT on building work (VAT Notice 708).

 

[A fool and his money.....]

54 minutes ago, Banker said:

We can’t alter VAT without UK permission as has already been made clear to you, here’s the relevant VAT requirements from UK Government websites 

 

 

Reduced rate VAT

You may be able to charge the reduced rate of 5% for some types of work if it meets certain conditions, including:

• installing energy saving products and certain work for people over 60
• converting a building into a house or flats or from one residential use to another
• renovating an empty house or flat
• home improvements to a domestic property on the Isle of Man

Find out how to work out VAT on building work (VAT Notice 708).

 

Permission or agreement? It is afterall an agreement. 

Whichever it is, they're hardly likely to agree if they are never asked.

If there was a political will, I would say a fairly compelling case could be made for the change. Afterall what's the point of an agreement that only works one way.

I guess it's easier to just say "can't" and hope the plebs don't ask too many questions.

Like we "can't" take Syrian refugees because of our constitional arrangements with the UK, a year or so before welcoming many Ukrainian refugees.

 

[Anthony Ingham]

5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

Permission or agreement? It is afterall an agreement. 

Whichever it is, they're hardly likely to agree if they are never asked.

If there was a political will, I would say a fairly compelling case could be made for the change. Afterall what's the point of an agreement that only works one way.

I guess it's easier to just say "can't" and hope the plebs don't ask too many questions.

Like we "can't" take Syrian refugees because of our constitional arrangements with the UK, a year or so before welcoming many Ukrainian refugees.

 

I like you.  You are funny and brighten this place up.

I might just set up a little AI script to scan for your posts and then post “clueless” in response.

It would save everyone else a lot of time.

[A fool and his money.....]

9 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said:

I like you.  You are funny and brighten this place up.

I might just set up a little AI script to scan for your posts and then post “clueless” in response.

It would save everyone else a lot of time.

Haha, how did I know you'd be an AI expert as well as a company law and VAT expert?

Although "Not very good at explaining things" so can't actually elaborate your extensive expertise with anything approaching fact.

I think the AI Idea is a good one though. It'll be refreshing to receive a reply from you with any form of intelligence behind it.

Edited April 20 by A fool and his money.....

[Anthony Ingham]

5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

Haha, how did I know you'd be an AI expert as well as a company law and VAT expert?

Although "Not very good at explaining things" so can't actually elaborate your extensive expertise with anything approaching fact.

I think the AI Idea is a good one though. It'll be refreshing to receive a reply from you with any form of intelligence behind it.

Suggesting someone look something up rather than me type something out that you probably wouldn’t understand anyway is good advice.

I was right anyway.  We can’t just change VAT rates and everyone agrees apart from you, who seems to think we should just send Westminster an email.

As for my use of AI 😂. What do you think the username is about?

PS.  I am not an expert in Company Law or VAT and would never claim to be.  I just have a very basic understanding of each and the ability to use the internet to find information when needed.

Edited April 20 by Anthony Ingham

[Manxman1234]

28 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

Permission or agreement? It is afterall an agreement. 

Whichever it is, they're hardly likely to agree if they are never asked.

If there was a political will, I would say a fairly compelling case could be made for the change. Afterall what's the point of an agreement that only works one way.

I guess it's easier to just say "can't" and hope the plebs don't ask too many questions.

Like we "can't" take Syrian refugees because of our constitional arrangements with the UK, a year or so before welcoming many Ukrainian refugees.

 

Unfortunately Syrian refugees were the wrong colour for the Racist Westminster establishment 

[A fool and his money.....]

12 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said:

Suggesting someone look something up rather than me type something out that you probably wouldn’t understand anyway is good advice.

I was right anyway.  We can’t just change VAT rates and everyone agrees apart from you, who seems to think we should just send Westminster an email.

As for my use of AI 😂. What do you think the username is about?

PS.  I am not an expert in Company Law or VAT and would never claim to be.  I just have a very basic understanding of each and the ability to use the internet to find information when needed.

Well if ever anyone was in need of artificial intelligence it's you. I guess it's no different to someone with no legs using artificial limbs.

Although, I don't know why, I'd always assumed chat GPT would be more eloquent, and accurate for that matter, but there you go.

[A fool and his money.....]

8 minutes ago, Manxman1234 said:

Unfortunately Syrian refugees were the wrong colour for the Racist Westminster establishment 

Although Westminster did at least take some Syrian refugees. Tynwald claimed it wasn't possible (sound familiar) shortly before they made a big song and dance about taking in Ukrainian refugees.

[finlo]

Is Vat really the elephant in the room here, is it not that Joe public is being so gouged for everything else he can't really afford to eat out or go to the pub regularly?

[Barlow]

I can't believe that people are bringing the police into this subject in the context they are.

If in doubt blame the government. If in doubt blame the police.

Jeez

[Harry Lamb]

1 hour ago, Manxman1234 said:

Unfortunately Syrian refugees were the wrong colour for the Racist Westminster establishment 

And for a lot of people in the IoM

[Derek Flint]

10 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

To answer all the cries about the beleaguered police force being overwhelmed by the night-time economy and there not being enough police to cope, it's worth pointing out that the latest reported number of police is 223, which would equate to 264 police per 100,000 population.  In terms of England and Wales Forces, this would make it #7 highest in ratio of officers to population, with most of those higher being large centres of population (eg the Met, Merseyside).

Remember that it has a moat, and nobody is coming to help. Also, there aren't enough cops to do the job in the UK

7 hours ago, Max Power said:

As a police officer Derek, I'm certain that you will agree that you see a lot of things differently to the majority of well behaved people who are out for a weekend, and are always looking for signs of escalation? In my time I've seen escalation because of the police presence on quite a few occasions, this has either been over zealousness or the cops actually fancying a bit of action themselves. 

You'll never convince me that the operation to decimate the nightlife of Douglas was a good thing for the public in general. If it won an international award, I'll go out on a limb and say that it was an international policing award, rather than an award for promoting a conjugal nightlife environment?  

https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/assaults-and-around-bars-2nd-ed-related

it was way ahead of its time, and you will see from the list its a perennial problem.

Unfortunately you are right though. If more effort was put in to the development of a conjugal environment things would be better. Unfortunately the Britons and Manx as races have an inability to just go out, drink in moderation, socialise and not fight.

7 hours ago, Gizo said:

What the fuck you on about. 
 

yes killjoys. Typical copper using some Netflix headlines to make some sort of statement. 
let’s stop all activities because the police don’t want to do their job. 
your using the same argument as the peel copper. Stay indoors at all times. 

The measure of police success is the absence of crime and disorder, not necessarily the efficiency of dealing with it.

Peel, c.1829

[Gizo]

So what happened in the intervening 200 years? Quotes from 200 years ago are irrelevant when policy is completely different to this sudden doctrine you are spouting.