TT 2018

[TheTeapot]

A 200km route that starts in one place and ends in another. So, absolutely not in any possible way, a circuit.

[NoTail]

Hi Teapot

When band and theatre groups go on tour, it is often described as doing the circuit.....

[manxb&b]

1 hour ago, NoTail said:

Hi Teapot

When band and theatre groups go on tour, it is often described as doing the circuit.....

Tbf that's because they will usually return to the same venues more than once.

[the stinking enigma]

Once it enters the realms of manxforums everything becomes a circuit.

[Declan]

3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

In the way it illustrates the point. It is broadcast live in HD along a different 200km route each day.

But it's also an interesting event, with lots of drama - attempted breaks from the pack, intermediate sprints, races within races. The TT doesn't have that it's just a time trial, the excitement comes from the slight changes in gap. It's therefore more exciting on the radio next to the course than it can ever be on telly, because the leaders rarely dice for the lead.

Also it's far easier to follow a pack of bicycles along a linear course, than intermittently spread out motorcycles on circuit. 

[Max Power]

38 minutes ago, Declan said:

But it's also an interesting event, with lots of drama - attempted breaks from the pack, intermediate sprints, races within races. The TT doesn't have that it's just a time trial, the excitement comes from the slight changes in gap. It's therefore more exciting on the radio next to the course than it can ever be on telly, because the leaders rarely dice for the lead.

Also it's far easier to follow a pack of bicycles along a linear course, than intermittently spread out motorcycles on circuit. 

Quite similar to car rallying I guess. 

[manxb&b]

2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

Once it enters the realms of manxforums everything becomes a circuit circus.

There, corrected for accuracy.

[quilp]

Only a quarter of Marshall's are local, according to that Craine fella on the radio. Interesting, that... 

[Shake me up Judy]

I get the impression that they've pissed off so many local volunteers over the years that they're just not coming forward any more. Can't say I blame them.

[2112]

1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said:

I get the impression that they've pissed off so many local volunteers over the years that they're just not coming forward any more. Can't say I blame them.

They are pissed off as there taken for granted. There getting treated like dirt by the big wigs, politicos and the hangers on associated with the TT. When you have people devoting time year on year, and others are getting preferential treatment, it’s surprising that the event can hold on to its free stewarding. I would predict that Government if the TT Marshall or lack of, persists may have to recruit professional or paid Motorsport Marshall’s. 

[woody2]

18 minutes ago, 2112 said:

They are pissed off as there taken for granted. There getting treated like dirt by the big wigs, politicos and the hangers on associated with the TT. When you have people devoting time year on year, and others are getting preferential treatment, it’s surprising that the event can hold on to its free stewarding. I would predict that Government if the TT Marshall or lack of, persists may have to recruit professional or paid Motorsport Marshall’s. 

how is that different to anything else iomg are associated with......

[Max Power]

To be fair, neither the TT ot CTT/MGP were particularly short of marshals last year? There was just a bit of rearranging of positions but nothing serious and no delays were threatened or experienced. That's not to say that everything is wonderful, the profile of the marshals is aging and younger people need to be attracted rather than just making up numbers, eventually some will just be too old to do some of the jobs that marshals do.

[Billy the Kid]

9 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

A 200km route that starts in one place and ends in another. So, absolutely not in any possible way, a circuit.

Why are you such a pedantic twat!

[paswt]

41 minutes ago, Max Power said:

To be fair, neither the TT ot CTT/MGP were particularly short of marshals last year? There was just a bit of rearranging of positions but nothing serious and no delays were threatened or experienced. That's not to say that everything is wonderful, the profile of the marshals is aging and younger people need to be attracted rather than just making up numbers, eventually some will just be too old to do some of the jobs that marshals do.

There may not have been a "shortage" of marshals  in total but IMO at some marshalling points they were a bit thin on the ground , whereas at others they were a bit "mob handed" .

Still I s'pose if there are only 3marshals and it "kicks off" each marshal will be galvanised into action whereas if there are 20 + (?).....   many will stand round scratching their backsides doing nothing expecting the others to sort it out.

The minimum number of marshals at a marshalling point (deemed adequate by the powers that be) , IMO could be insufficient, in the event of an incident, but what do I know (as a former H&S Inspector)?

I've marshalled for 10 years and you are correct that many marshals are of retirement age or older and if if younger people are not incentivised to volunteer  folk like me will drop off their perch ..........

I have to say that in previous years when marshals  experienced considerable delays in  getting off the mountain ( and receiving no response to correspondence ) quite a few  voted with their feet  as they felt a tad 'unloved' . 

[Max Power]

9 minutes ago, paswt said:

There may not have been a "shortage" of marshals  in total but IMO at some marshalling points they were a bit thin on the ground , whereas at others they were a bit "mob handed" .

Still I s'pose if there are only 3marshals and it "kicks off" each marshal will be galvanised into action whereas if there are 20 + (?).....   many will stand round scratching their backsides doing nothing expecting the others to sort it out.

The minimum number of marshals at a marshalling point (deemed adequate by the powers that be) , IMO could be insufficient, in the event of an incident, but what do I know (as a former H&S Inspector)?

I've marshalled for 10 years and you are correct that many marshals are of retirement age or older and if if younger people are not incentivised to volunteer  folk like me will drop off their perch ..........

I have to say that in previous years when marshals  experienced considerable delays in  getting off the mountain ( and receiving no response to correspondence ) quite a few  voted with their feet  as they felt a tad 'unloved' . 

I believe that the minimum manning levels were agreed by the TTMA but I could be wrong? 

Yes, it's very difficult when things go wrong up on the Mountain, there should be a contingency plan to get people away really, particularly when the temperature drops at night.