ian rush Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Gladys said: You raised incompetence as a possible causative factor and I pointed out that incompetence should be dealt with through the proper disciplinary process, not by sidelining, if that is what happened. It would seem that the incompetence, if any, was not the cause of the claim, but how it was handled that is likely to saddle the taxpayers. Incompetence would/should be capability not disciplinary. And I had you down as someone who knew a bit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, ian rush said: Incompetence would/should be capability not disciplinary. And I had you down as someone who knew a bit... Agreed, which is why I referred to PIPs earlier. The point I was making is that there are, or should be, processes to address failings, whether they be capability or disciplinary that should be followed. Not sidelining to manage out a problemmatic employee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ian rush said: Incompetence would/should be capability not disciplinary. And I had you down as someone who knew a bit... Thanks Rushie I was starting to lose the will to live. Now, would you like to know about the seven Nolan principles? Edited October 1, 2021 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Thanks Rushie I was starting to lose the will to live. Now, would you like to know about the seven Nolan principles? Not sure if he's in the mood for dancing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Apple said: What have McMillan said about this. Or even the treating Consultant.? Of course there is no credible complaints process at the moment as Bill Shimmins motion in Tynwald highlighted some 6 months ago. Note - Women are being urged to report early possible signs for cancers. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/women-urged-to-be-vigilant-for-signs-of-gynaecological-cancer/ Presumably if they do they will be treated ? Are they really? So that’s why my missus waited nearly 4 months for an appointment despite reporting possible early signs to her GP? Seems to be a distinct lack of communication between the GP, Gynae department and radiology department, apparently as it wasn’t marked as ‘urgent’ she didn’t get priority, surely if a woman reports changes out of the ordinary it should be treated with priority, is that not enough? sure enough the follow up appointment is now ‘urgent’ can’t go into full details but there is something that needs further investigation (hopefully nothing sinister). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Apple said: What have McMillan said about this. Or even the treating Consultant.? Of course there is no credible complaints process at the moment as Bill Shimmins motion in Tynwald highlighted some 6 months ago. Note - Women are being urged to report early possible signs for cancers. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/women-urged-to-be-vigilant-for-signs-of-gynaecological-cancer/ Presumably if they do they will be treated ? I think the patient will take up via the complaints process. Why would McMillan be involved? In my experience the McMillan set up on Island is useless. There is no local treating consultant. They weren’t seen. The thing is, here is a patient who has had blood cancer. They know the signs and symptoms. They were privately treated off island first time round. They identified a probable relapse. Saw GP. Referred to Nobles. Nothing. Well, two months wait for haematology appointment which was then postponed to November. Fortunately still have private cover. Got over to London, saw private consultant and now having chemo. But that means flights, hotels, none of it paid for by patient transfers. Extra stress. But better being treated than not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 22 hours ago, Apple said: What have McMillan said about this. Or even the treating Consultant.? Of course there is no credible complaints process at the moment as Bill Shimmins motion in Tynwald highlighted some 6 months ago. Note - Women are being urged to report early possible signs for cancers. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/women-urged-to-be-vigilant-for-signs-of-gynaecological-cancer/ Presumably if they do they will be treated ? The Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece this morning has Mother Theresa CEO Manx Careless urging women not to wait for Breast Cancer Treatment. My concern being that Manx Careless and the DHSC are in a mess, granted trying to solve issues, that other cancer diagnosis may be ignored, in Mens Health, in the rush to meet other targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Amber said: I heard Dr Tinwell was demanding £7.5M!!! Thats not what I was told by her. The settlement was a lot less I understand. But, if you know differently then so be it. Her career / health has been severely Impacted, probably for a long time to come. Not the first and probably won't be the last I fear. Edited October 2, 2021 by Apple Damned autocorrect- over ridden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 4 hours ago, John Wright said: The thing is, here is a patient who has had blood cancer. They know the signs and symptoms. They were privately treated off island first time round. They identified a probable relapse. Saw GP. Referred to Nobles. Nothing. Well, two months wait for haematology appointment which was then postponed to November. Fortunately still have private cover. Got over to London, saw private consultant and now having chemo. But that means flights, hotels, none of it paid for by patient transfers. Extra stress. But better being treated than not. I really don't understand why DHSC / Manx Care have not responded to the situation, or at least clarified why they have acted, or not in this case, in the way they have. I hope patients and families are not going to "fall between two stools" or between the "cracks in the pavements " that we have seen happen before and yet have been told lessons about such failings have been learned. The Manx Care mandate outlines what SHOULD be happening but there does not seem to be any scrutiny other than the Board itself at the moment ( ? if have CQC started yet). The DHSC Charter also indicates where patients SHOULD stand in the systems. What makes it worse at the moment is there is insufficient political over sight whist everyone seems to be jostling to adjust to their functions. (This should have all be even sorted out way beforehand). I wish your friend well and when there is finally an explanation / outcome to the complaint it can be shared anonymously to help avoid anyone else encountering similar problems. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, Apple said: Thats not what I was told by her. The settlement was a lot less I understand. But, if you know differently then so be it. Her career / health has been severely Impacted, probably for a long time to come. Not the first and probably won't be the last I fear. Severe PTSD was a bit extreme but yes she suffered from colleagues despicable behaviour. Hope she got a decent settlement £100k at least? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I hear she did. She deserved to as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 From what I heard directly there should have been people sacked for gross misconduct in my book. It seems you can get away with anything in DHSC / Manx Care nowadays. The miserable attempt to cover the staff disciplinary aspect from Ashford was I fear as sign of what seems to be acceptable and the almost desperate attempts to keep staff irrespective of some circumstances. What he did not reference was the derogatory terms that were used to describe clients. If that had become public then I think there would have been some very unhappy parents. Lumpy carpet time. Disgraceful episode. Professionals apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Apple said: From what I heard directly there should have been people sacked for gross misconduct in my book. It seems you can get away with anything in DHSC / Manx Care nowadays. The miserable attempt to cover the staff disciplinary aspect from Ashford was I fear as sign of what seems to be acceptable and the almost desperate attempts to keep staff irrespective of some circumstances. What he did not reference was the derogatory terms that were used to describe clients. If that had become public then I think there would have been some very unhappy parents. Lumpy carpet time. Disgraceful episode. Professionals apparently. Where is the problem, with clinical staff or admin/management? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Gladys said: Where is the problem, with clinical staff or admin/management? In the Tynwell case, certainly both in my view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Apple said: From what I heard directly there should have been people sacked for gross misconduct in my book. It seems you can get away with anything in DHSC / Manx Care nowadays. The miserable attempt to cover the staff disciplinary aspect from Ashford was I fear as sign of what seems to be acceptable and the almost desperate attempts to keep staff irrespective of some circumstances. What he did not reference was the derogatory terms that were used to describe clients. If that had become public then I think there would have been some very unhappy parents. Lumpy carpet time. Disgraceful episode. Professionals apparently. derogatory terms that were used to describe clients…describing one patient saying “cap and tight trousers” apparently! Banter between the staff, nothing too serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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