Beelzebub3 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Where does it say they will use the herring as bait. Fresh herring is delicious, BTW. Only a very small amount of the catch is being processed for human consumption, the rest are being frozen/used for pot bait, that is not a very good use of a valuable resource, you often hear complaints about the 2 large trawlers from N Ireland catching and landing huge amounts of herring in Belfast at least they are for human consumption and provide a living to the crew's processor's and local area. I hope that in time for next year before issuing licence's DEFA will look for viable sources to process the catch and turn it into a valuable asset. If the Irish processors can find a viable market surely our friends at DEFA can pull their fingers out and start selling the manx produce. Herring fishing is partly what made the Island and supported its community for years and is a very important part of the Island's heritage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 58 minutes ago, Beelzebub3 said: Only a very small amount of the catch is being processed for human consumption, the rest are being frozen/used for pot bait, that is not a very good use of a valuable resource, you often hear complaints about the 2 large trawlers from N Ireland catching and landing huge amounts of herring in Belfast at least they are for human consumption and provide a living to the crew's processor's and local area. I hope that in time for next year before issuing licence's DEFA will look for viable sources to process the catch and turn it into a valuable asset. If the Irish processors can find a viable market surely our friends at DEFA can pull their fingers out and start selling the manx produce. Herring fishing is partly what made the Island and supported its community for years and is a very important part of the Island's heritage. there is a huge market in Europe no reason why the herring could not be salted /spiced and Barrelled here , in Holland you can pay as much as 4 euro for a single herring , possibly more in Denmark , problem will be getting someone to do the work but this should have been looked at before the government bought the quota there should also have been a proper business plan , if the surplus herring is going for bait for lobster pots then that is a criminal waste , and the department should be ashamed of themselves , they would have been better leaving the fish to spawn , 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Omobono said: there is a huge market in Europe no reason why the herring could not be salted /spiced and Barrelled here , in Holland you can pay as much as 4 euro for a single herring , possibly more in Denmark , problem will be getting someone to do the work but this should have been looked at before the government bought the quota there should also have been a proper business plan , if the surplus herring is going for bait for lobster pots then that is a criminal waste , and the department should be ashamed of themselves , they would have been better leaving the fish to spawn , Is there a link to a statement or similar as to what happens to these fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 There is no infrastucture here now, no guttygirls,/ machinery, salt / barrel stores, space to process etc and not enough product to make it viable. In the klondike time, the Dutchmen came to the Island to process their own, imagine the red tape, post Brexit now 😒 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: First were landed yesterday, though I think there were a few trials last season. 2 hours ago, Beelzebub3 said: The problem I have with catching perfectly consumable herring and using it for bait is not really ethical, if the herring were being processed and used as a food product for human consumption then perhaps it may be newsworthy, not really a roaring success if that is the best use of the herring IMO. 43 minutes ago, Omobono said: there is a huge market in Europe no reason why the herring could not be salted /spiced and Barrelled here , in Holland you can pay as much as 4 euro for a single herring , possibly more in Denmark , problem will be getting someone to do the work but this should have been looked at before the government bought the quota there should also have been a proper business plan , if the surplus herring is going for bait for lobster pots then that is a criminal waste , and the department should be ashamed of themselves , they would have been better leaving the fish to spawn , There haven't been any studies into it, but my personal opinion is that recent increased Herring stocks are probably responsible for the recent increase of dolphins and whales here. It would be very interesting to know what they are planning on doing with them. As noted, there doesn't really seem to the infrastructure here to process them fresh. It would be a huge shame if they are just to be used as bait. We'll have to see over the next couple of years as the takes increase, if there are any changes to the dolphins and whales. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Beelzebub3 said: Only a very small amount of the catch is being processed for human consumption, the rest are being frozen/used for pot bait, that is not a very good use of a valuable resource, you often hear complaints about the 2 large trawlers from N Ireland catching and landing huge amounts of herring in Belfast at least they are for human consumption and provide a living to the crew's processor's and local area. I hope that in time for next year before issuing licence's DEFA will look for viable sources to process the catch and turn it into a valuable asset. If the Irish processors can find a viable market surely our friends at DEFA can pull their fingers out and start selling the manx produce. Herring fishing is partly what made the Island and supported its community for years and is a very important part of the Island's heritage. I sincerely hope that what you say is not correct, re the fish bait issue. Perhaps if David Beard of the Manx Fish Producers Organisation and Minister Clare Barber are reading this then they will provide some clarity on this subject. It would be a total waste of taxpayers money (grants) and a total waste of a natural resource if this were true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 23 hours ago, Roxanne said: If Shoprite had operated to an effective business model, kept their stores clean, their stock kept up to date, and made shopping there a pleasant experience, then it would have been a lot more busy and we would have availed ourselves of the Manx products. They didn't, and we didn't. Market forces. Even you , now, calling it 'Shopshite' says all anyone needs to know. On a personal level, I only ever went here to buy Manx, I didn't touch anything else. I tend to use the Port Erin & Castletown Shoprite's and find them much cleaner and more pleasant than Tesco. I have also shopped at plenty of Tesco's in the UK and find them to be one of the less pleasant stores to shop in (although they are beaten by Asda) as they often have staff picking food for home deliveries, pallets and cages cluttering up the aisles and stores that look worn out. I have also bought several fresh products from Tesco's that have gone off very soon after and that put me off. As for market forces, I think we are about to find out what happens when Tesco has a virtual monopoly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) Adie Kinrade, the bloke landing the herring , has I believe 5 boats and some operation fishing for lobsters and crab. He’s been at it for a lot of years now and baiting massive amount of pots needs big quantity of bait. Most if not all his catch is sent to Europe or Ireland. Reckon not much if any of that catch will get processed for kippers. Edited October 13, 2023 by Numbnuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Manx flour is '' free from the additives'' required by UK flour, chalk thiamin iron and nicotine!!! and is 100% pure, according to the packet. As alluded to above the raising is easily attained with the white flours and reasonably with the wholemeal and stone ground. The rye flour when it was available was a bit more dense. Kneading is indeed therapeutic especially if done by a window overlooking a garden! Do Noa still use Manx flour? Some bags of German in their window, may be the grains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, mollag said: In the klondike time, the Dutchmen came to the Island to process their own Indeed, the Dutch were quite an industry in the 80s? Benefited from the side catch often, got Monkfish before it was known about here. One of the dealers died quite young sadly. They were steak eaters tho!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethargy Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Jesus wept. Nobody is putting blackboard chalk and nicotine into flour mate. UK-milled white and brown flour has mandatory calcium, iron, thiamin and niacin added because that brings it back up to match the nutritional profile of wholemeal flour. Nothing there to worry about. Individual millers add other things, like additional enzymes (to bolster the exact same ones already naturally in the flour) to assist raising, and of course the usual additives to self-raising flour needed to make it rise without the need for separate bicarb. Wikipedia is free to read, you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Gladys said: Is there a link to a statement or similar as to what happens to these fish? It is not common knowledge to anyone outside the fishing industry. I sincerely hope that next year there will be a lot more planning involved and different ideas as to what benefits there is with this valuable and sustainable fishery, if the boats are unable to land directly to the IOM they can steam 3 hours to Ardglass where there is already a well established processing plant although this would not benefit the Island it will create a revenue for the boat owners and also help to diversify from relying on queen/king scallops 12 months of the year. DEFA also have made enquiries into obtaining quota for nephrops this is also a prolific fishery which would also ease reliability on queen/king scallops lets hope they can progress with these ideas for next year and in turn will help bring the Islands fishing heritage into the 21 century and invest in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 There is no infrastucture here now, no guttygirls,/ machinery, salt / barrel stores, space to process etc and not enough product to make it viable. In the klondike time, the Dutchmen came to the Island to process their own, imagine the red tape, post Brexit now 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kopek said: Manx flour is '' free from the additives'' required by UK flour, chalk thiamin iron and nicotine!!! and is 100% pure, according to the packet. As alluded to above the raising is easily attained with the white flours and reasonably with the wholemeal and stone ground. The rye flour when it was available was a bit more dense. Kneading is indeed therapeutic especially if done by a window overlooking a garden! Do Noa still use Manx flour? Some bags of German in their window, may be the grains. The Isle of Man Provenance label indicates produce that is grown, reared, caught and/or processed in the Isle of Man and/or contains mostly Manx ingredients. Its creation forms part of the Food Matters strategy to grow the value of Isle of Man Food & Drink to the economy. Due to the current need to import UK wheat to supplement locally grown wheat flour the following products marked with * should be considered as ‘Made in Isle of Man’ i.e not 100% Manx flour. Please check the product labels or contact the manufacturer/bakery directly for further information. *Flavo Plain flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Granary flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx King premium white bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Mixed Seed bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Manx Queen strong white flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Pioneer bread – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Rye flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Soda bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills Strong Stone- ground wholemeal flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Sunrise Self raising flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Manx Wholemeal flour – Laxey Glen Mills Meat and Potato Pie – Morgan’s Pies Cheese and Onion Pie – Morgan’s Pies Lamb and Onion Pie – Morgan’s Pies Beef Curry Pie – Morgan’s Pies *Super soft white Med sliced 800g – Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *Super soft white Thick sliced 800g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *Soft white farmhouse 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Soft golden wholemeal farmhouse 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Super soft wholemeal Med sliced 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Super soft wholemeal Thick sliced 800g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *White breakfast rolls x 4– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Bagels – Ross Bakery White Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Brown Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Granary Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Seeded Sourdough – Ross Bakery *Brioche loaf – Ross Bakery Pasteis de Nata – Ross Bakery *Challah loaf – Ross Bakery Savoury Tarts – Ross Bakery *Ciabatta – Ross Bakery *Foccacia – Ross Bakery Deli Rye – Ross Bakery Rye – Ross Bakery Seeded Rye – Ross Bakery Walnut Sourdough – Ross Bakery Potato Sourdough – Ross Bakery Island Loaf – Ross Bakery Edited October 13, 2023 by mollag 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwhite Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, mollag said: The Isle of Man Provenance label indicates produce that is grown, reared, caught and/or processed in the Isle of Man and/or contains mostly Manx ingredients. Its creation forms part of the Food Matters strategy to grow the value of Isle of Man Food & Drink to the economy. Due to the current need to import UK wheat to supplement locally grown wheat flour the following products marked with * should be considered as ‘Made in Isle of Man’ i.e not 100% Manx flour. Please check the product labels or contact the manufacturer/bakery directly for further information. *Flavo Plain flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Granary flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx King premium white bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Mixed Seed bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Manx Queen strong white flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Pioneer bread – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Rye flour – Laxey Glen Mills Manx Soda bread flour – Laxey Glen Mills Strong Stone- ground wholemeal flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Sunrise Self raising flour – Laxey Glen Mills *Manx Wholemeal flour – Laxey Glen Mills Meat and Potato Pie – Morgan’s Pies Cheese and Onion Pie – Morgan’s Pies Lamb and Onion Pie – Morgan’s Pies Beef Curry Pie – Morgan’s Pies *Super soft white Med sliced 800g – Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *Super soft white Thick sliced 800g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *Soft white farmhouse 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Soft golden wholemeal farmhouse 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Super soft wholemeal Med sliced 800g & 400g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Super soft wholemeal Thick sliced 800g– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) *White breakfast rolls x 4– Marks & Spencer (Ramsey Bakery) Bagels – Ross Bakery White Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Brown Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Granary Tin loaf – Ross Bakery Seeded Sourdough – Ross Bakery *Brioche loaf – Ross Bakery Pasteis de Nata – Ross Bakery *Challah loaf – Ross Bakery Savoury Tarts – Ross Bakery *Ciabatta – Ross Bakery *Foccacia – Ross Bakery Deli Rye – Ross Bakery Rye – Ross Bakery Seeded Rye – Ross Bakery Walnut Sourdough – Ross Bakery Potato Sourdough – Ross Bakery Island Loaf – Ross Bakery Won't be much left on that list should someone not buy Ross Bakery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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