HeliX Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 The timeline went something like this: Explosion Hananya Natfali says Israel did it Israel Arabic twitter account said Israel did it and claims it was to euthanise the already dying patients Outrage Tweets deleted Israel says they know nothing about it Israel says they do know something about it and they told the hospital to evacuate a couple of hours before Israel says Hamas did it Fuck knows what's true. But thousands of Hamas rockets have not killed 500 Israelis cumulatively. So one killing 500 Palestinians, if that's accurate, is pretty unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 If you say so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, quilp said: If you say so... I think the point @HeliXis making is that the 500 dead claim us questionable and may be an exaggeration by Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I got his point. Eventually the truth will out, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 hours ago, HeliX said: The timeline went something like this: Explosion Hananya Natfali says Israel did it Israel Arabic twitter account said Israel did it and claims it was to euthanise the already dying patients Outrage Tweets deleted Israel says they know nothing about it Israel says they do know something about it and they told the hospital to evacuate a couple of hours before Israel says Hamas did it Fuck knows what's true. But thousands of Hamas rockets have not killed 500 Israelis cumulatively. So one killing 500 Palestinians, if that's accurate, is pretty unlikely. This is the BBC Verify report: https://youtu.be/clqHa1PP0TQ It starts at 1:34 in. The video is from that paragon of truthful reporting Al Jazeera. Who happened to be live broadcasting the rocket launches aimed at Israel at the time. Presumably to boost morale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeteroErectus Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Could the media be conflating two separate incidents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 9 hours ago, quilp said: smuggled out of Russia/Ukraine/name-any-current-conflict-zone, anywhere. Not much you can't buy on the open arms market these days. You'd be amazed what many of the NGOs in Ukraine are now able to source and provide. Many of these legit humanitarian and charity organisations are turning into semi gun runners. Obviously pretty tricky here, but I'm pretty certain if I was in mainland Europe right now, I could get seriously tooled up. Bit of a worry for the future of violent crime and gangs in Europe though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, HeliX said: https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation @HeliX Your total lack of any form of condemnation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets at Israeli civilians is duly noted. Some would call your "don't bomb Gaza" stance hypocritical but I couldn't possibly comment... Loved the way the "visual investigation" is mostly audio. The commentator claiming that the rocket trajectory was wrong to hit the hospital is a joke - like he would know which way a rocket out of control would be going... The other idea the commentator put forward that it might be a proximity round is also a joke as they leave no crater at all... The very small crater and the lack of damage to the surrounding structures indicates it was not HE ordnance travelling at several hundred miles an hour. A tube of rocket fuel falling on the car park would probably cause the effects shown but I'm not aware it's ever been tested... Tragic bad luck for those caught in the fireball mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, P.K. said: @HeliX Your total lack of any form of condemnation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets at Israeli civilians is duly noted. Some would call your "don't bomb Gaza" stance hypocritical but I couldn't possibly comment... Loved the way the "visual investigation" is mostly audio. The commentator claiming that the rocket trajectory was wrong to hit the hospital is a joke - like he would know which way a rocket out of control would be going... The other idea the commentator put forward that it might be a proximity round is also a joke as they leave no crater at all... The very small crater and the lack of damage to the surrounding structures indicates it was not HE ordnance travelling at several hundred miles an hour. A tube of rocket fuel falling on the car park would probably cause the effects shown but I'm not aware it's ever been tested... Tragic bad luck for those caught in the fireball mind. I condemn whoever fired whatever it was that hit that hospital. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, HeliX said: I condemn whoever fired whatever it was that hit that hospital. But not Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets aimed randomly at Israeli civilians including women and children. How heartless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, P.K. said: But not Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets aimed randomly at Israeli civilians including women and children. How heartless... I have resoundingly condemned terrorism and targeting of civilians multiple times in this thread, and I think it's pretty disingenuous to imply I don't. Only one of us has described civilians on either side as vermin who need to be exterminated. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, HeliX said: I have resoundingly condemned terrorism and targeting of civilians multiple times in this thread, and I think it's pretty disingenuous to imply I don't. Only one of us has described civilians on either side as vermin who need to be exterminated. Au contraire. Cambridge Dictionary: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, P.K. said: @HeliX Your total lack of any form of condemnation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets at Israeli civilians is duly noted. Some would call your "don't bomb Gaza" stance hypocritical but I couldn't possibly comment... Where did HeliX say what you claim ? Personally I think the mods should ban you for posting scurrilous lies . You really are an odious little brat. Hope this helps 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: But not Palestinian Islamic Jihad for firing rockets aimed randomly at Israeli civilians including women and children. How heartless... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 This isn't going to get resolved until someone accepts responsibility or outside experts get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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