Lxxx Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why should the 'government' of a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea spend £412m+ per annum on payroll costs? Because for a long time it could. Any government, anywhere, throughout history has always taken and grown as much as it possibly could until it hit the buffers. That's what the state does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why should the 'government' of a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea spend £412m+ per annum on payroll costs? Why should the 'government' of a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea spend £412m+ per annum on payroll costs? Because @ 30% of the population are employed by or take from said government in one way or another....? 30% of what population? It ain't nowhere near 85K or even 80K..... more like 75K in my opinion. It's possible to get through Quarterbridge these days without too much of a problem during the rush-minute. There aren't the cars that there used to be. Less cars = less people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 And Skelly's just been on the radio advising that DED are looking to recruit more "high-flyers"...is there no end to it? We've got no bugger to sweep up leaves off the pavements but we can employ God knows how many to give us the benefit of their infinite wisdom within the CS on £60k-£100k a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rievaulx Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Instead of one DED consultant, it would be more cost effective if they just listened to what people in the real world are saying and spent the £60k to £100k employing 4 to 6 new street cleaners all on good money. I'm afraid they have no idea about the real world or the people that live in it. All they can see is the inside of their proverbial collective arse. It's time someone gave it a good kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why should the 'government' of a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea spend £412m+ per annum on payroll costs? Why should the 'government' of a tiny island in the middle of the Irish Sea spend £412m+ per annum on payroll costs?Because @ 30% of the population are employed by or take from said government in one way or another....? 30% of what population? It ain't nowhere near 85K or even 80K..... more like 75K in my opinion. It's possible to get through Quarterbridge these days without too much of a problem during the rush-minute. There aren't the cars that there used to be. Less cars = less people. I wonder how many there'll be after Bell's, "Further six years (at least) of deficit-addressing and re-balancing"? AKA hiking of taxes and charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Does that include the MARS and severance payments though? If not, it is inexplicable. ETA: I see now there is a separate item for that. So it IS inexplicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Anyone got any sources for the total number of public sector workers, the blue books don't give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 This is all just astonishing to me The Fat Cats 'myth' seems to have been entirely confirmed, contrary I assume to Minister Shimmin's intention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Anyone got any sources for the total number of public sector workers, the blue books don't give it. 2081 full time equivalent Civil Servants https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/hr/Information_Centre/csannualreport20142015oct15.pdf 7875 total workers (estimated 2015/16 https://www.gov.im/media/1346893/pinkbook-1516.pdf page 34) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Thanks PB! That is really concerning: 7875 total - £395million (and change) wage bill. That's an average of £50K!!!! WTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Maybe John Shimmin will come on and give us a full comprehension of this worrying data. At the moment we seem to be reaching all the wrong conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm surprised Shimmin has spoken at all. Following his "fall on my sword" routine, Shimmin desperately needed to get back into a ministerial position to keep his pre-retirement salary as high as possible. He's coming up to 55 and can retire on full (double accrued) practically non-contributory pension at almost any time. £250k lump sum (tax free) and a life of leisure (he can go on cruises with his brother!) Fat Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 That's probably why he advised Bell to appoint him to the 'Cabinet' department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Shoe Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 So despite alleged pay freezes Who told you that? They just ride the spine of their own paygrade for a few years (that's an automatic increase, not a "payrise"). then, when you hit the top, suck up to your manager and get moved to a different grade. https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/hr/iomcs/AnnexC1_C2/generalservicegradesapril2008.pdf For example, start as an AA, ride the spines from 15912 to 20561. Become an AO on some excuse your boss can push through (even if you waste a year on the same pay) and then ride the spines up to 26254. No payrises involved at any point. But the salary goes up by 5% each year, no questions asked. (Note: there are large portions of the Public Sector where this doesn't work. So some complaints about no pay-rises are 100% genuine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurricanII Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Can anyone suppose how the Govt might have spent a million on RECRUITMENT in years when the head count is supposed to be dropping? Adverts don't cost THAT much and many adverts seem to involve applying to Government directly, so no finders fee of 10% of salary paid to a recruitment agency in many cases... Also, as we know, several roles are only made available internally at the government - so no need to advertise those to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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