Two-lane Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, wrighty said: Rugby. Get knocked on the head playing that and you’re out for a week. Mandatory. TT - come off at high speed, and if you say you feel ok you can go again. "Britain’s Motor Sport Association has implemented new rules regarding concussion among motor sport competitors ahead of the 2016 season. Under the new rules, concussion will be diagnosed by the Chief Medical Officer following an accident if there is any momentary loss of consciousness, confusion, disorientation, amnesia, headache, dizziness or nausea displayed by a participant involved in a crash. No concussed competitor will be allowed to return to action. They will have their licence withdrawn by the MSA, who will then outline the requirements for its return." MSA is the UK body recognised by the FIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, wrighty said: Rugby. Get knocked on the head playing that and you’re out for a week. Mandatory. TT - come off at high speed, and if you say you feel ok you can go again. Just one example when the organisers seem to disregard opportunities to make things safer. Not entirely true Wrighty. If you receive a blow to the head in Rugby you undergo a Head Injury Assessment. If you fail that you then go through the concussion protocol which has periods of mandatory suspension. If you pass the HIA you can go straight back on the pitch. In the TT, if you suffer a concussion you are out for the event. Taken from the event safety plan: Any competitor suffering from a concussion injury during the fortnight will be automatically excluded from any further participation in the event. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Review but never change. Remember Ayrton Senna. Tamburello corner at Imola. Deemed to fast, too dangerous. Isn't it a chicane now? One death in F1 in many years. Not acceptable. Immediate changes. 2 deaths in consecutive races here. Will there be any significant changes to the circuit. Well let's see shall we? You can't compare a purpose built circuit with a road race course. The former is a lot easier to make changes to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milestone 11 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, wrighty said: Rugby. Get knocked on the head playing that and you’re out for a week. Mandatory. TT - come off at high speed, and if you say you feel ok you can go again. Just one example when the organisers seem to disregard opportunities to make things safer. Concussion protocol at TT is more stringent than that of MotoGP. Just two weeks ago, a rider who'd suffered a concussion on the Saturday was allowed to race on the Sunday. At TT, you'd not be able to compete for remainder of meeting. Apologies I hadn't realised this had been responded to before posting. Edited June 18, 2022 by milestone 11 Clarification 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milestone 11 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Youaintseenme said: Yes. It was a massive accident with huge forces involved so not a coincidence, just physics Crash dynamics don't allow that generalisation. Nevertheless, I agree to a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Those of you wanting something to compare the TT with why not the Nurburgring Nordschilfe? Pay €24 and you can take your own vehicle for a lap. The report I saw suggest that there are 3 to 12 deaths per year during these public sessions. The German Government haven't closed this down and people are making money off it and arranging these public sessions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, wrighty said: Rugby. Get knocked on the head playing that and you’re out for a week. Mandatory. TT - come off at high speed, and if you say you feel ok you can go again. Just one example when the organisers seem to disregard opportunities to make things safer. The TT organisers don't give a Sh1t about making things safer though, they really don't. If they did they would move all the sheep fencing with single strand, head decapitating wire rope away from the mountain road. That is not that difficult or even that costly in the scheme of things. That they don't. and show no signs of doing so sort of tells you that they are just playing lip service to safety and their so called SMS............ ETA The red light thing is a joke, of all the circuits in the world, the longest one, the TT course, is not in need of this. A red flag is to stop bikes/ cars/ other competing vehicles from going into a crash scene at speed or at all. this to allow a removal, safely of injured parties. Showing a red flag in Ramsey via a very expensive electronic system for a crash at the bottom of Bray Hill is no more use than a chocolate fire guard. Typical CS We need to do Something and this is Something..................... Edited June 18, 2022 by Boris Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Have you TT apologists been on here all day? The weather has been amazing outside. Get out and enjoy it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Annoymouse said: So how were they identified? because if neither of them could be identified from a photograph then surely the family wouldn’t be able to identify them either. There were no family members present on the island. The misidentification was first suspected as a result of the incident investigation carried out by ACUE. Walton hospital were informed of the suspicions. Cesar Chanal's mother was on the way to Liverpool at the time and was met there by staff from Walton who explained the situation to her. She was then able to provide a positive identification of Olivier Lavorel, bearing in mind that it was some 72hrs after the incident so he was probably more recognisable then, particularly to someone who already knew him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: ETA The red light thing is a joke, of all the circuits in the world, the longest one, the TT course, is not in need of this. A red flag is to stop bikes/ cars/ other competing vehicles from going into a crash scene at speed or at all. this to allow a removal, safely of injured parties. Showing a red flag in Ramsey via a very expensive electronic system for a crash at the bottom of Bray Hill is no more use than a chocolate fire guard. I did wonder about the relevance of this feature. The message to the Clerk of the Course would have been made from a marshal's post where they are already frantically waving as many yellows as they can lay their hands on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: A red flag is to stop bikes/ cars/ other competing vehicles from going into a crash scene at speed or at all. this to allow a removal, safely of injured parties. Showing a red flag in Ramsey via a very expensive electronic system for a crash at the bottom of Bray Hill is no more use than a chocolate fire guard. If a race has been red flagged, there is no more race. What would be the point in allowing competitors on the course but beyond the incident to continue at racing speed. You would just be risking further incidents at a time when the emergency services are already busy, all for no good reason. Whether it is done by an electronic system or by using flag marshals (or both), an all course red flag is a perfectly reasonable thing, after which the riders on the course can be escorted back safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris C Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: I don't think you have ever witnessed a brutal blunt force trauma death, I have, Derek Flint has, Wrighty has - spot the common denominator....... 🙂 You're all comeovers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paswt Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Youaintseenme said: I have, and do have many of my marshalling colleagues over the years. We still turn out year on year. I am not sure what point you are trying to make, but it’s flawed. Not strictly true in that a few marshals , after witnessing the 2 fatals and a few big "offs" at Casey's /Black Hut decided that marshalling wasn't for them. One a marshal with over 30 years experience and who had witnessed fatals previously said 'he thought as he had got older he was perhaps more sentimental and that was why it had hit him harder. 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Seems the dangers of boxing, heading footballs and rugby head injuries has been the subject of much debate recently. All those sports are under pressure to make improvements. For me, I don't see that with TT. I'm done with it for now. If they don't change something at Ago's before the next installment of the sidecar story, I'll be done with it for good or at least until they do. Fair comment H d ,I'm now "done" as the powers that be have refused to even discuss safety improvements @ Casey's and Black Hut ( 9 offs including multiple riders and 2 fatals) . Sadly the marshals witnessing "offs" at the marshalling points do not take part in any investigation , their views are regarded as irrelevant and if persistent are labelled a "troublemaker". Just saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Plus of course you can’t just turn up at the bottom with your new walking boots and set off just like that. There’s all sorts of protocols to follow and monies to pay. Anymore than you can just go to the starting line at the Grandstand with your motorcycle and say “can I go next please?” The TT has been with us for about 115 years and the Course is created every year by our Government. Everest, by comparison has been here for several billions of years, before any Government could lay claim to it and any human being was around to think about climbing it. Apart from that, yes exactly the same 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 The next person to mention Everest is a big shit. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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