2112 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 8 hours ago, Fred the shred said: Why should an unelected person bring a new dimension to Manx Politics? And what traditional values and standards is she going to return ? We are going forward not backward and religion has no place in a political arena, ever. You are entitled to your view, and in many respects you have a considerable point, However, if you are going to mess around with constitutional issues, as you have ‘beefs’ and ‘socialist’ tendencies’ you may as well go the whole hog and - Scrap Lego Create a new elected by the island voters, second chambers, instead of the present, where friends, family and cronies get the opportunity to run the island and enact laws. Elect a new Chief Minister by the voting general public after a general election. I am sure there are probably other issues which the GMP could get involved with which is democratic? At this moment in time, the island has real social, economic and financial issues affecting islanders, yet certain clowns are obsessed with supposed constitutional issues and tinkering around the edges. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 4 minutes ago, 2112 said: Scrap Lego Can we keep Mecanno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Meccano, Shirley? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 minute ago, quilp said: Meccano, Shirley? Apologies, hadn’t had me coffee, eyes not open yet, etc… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 The lady in question is still a lady in waiting until October but she was on MR this morning touting for a vote in Tynwald. It was done with charm but would she not be better employed getting some punters in the churches she will be taking responsibility for which are really depleted and those attending are elderly there are very few young people interested. She will also be responsible for the maintenance of the churches and cathedral which are fine buildings in their own right but not easy or cheap to run, heating and repairs must be a nightmare. With all this to manage how has she got the time to sit in Tynwald ? This is the job she is paid for she should concentrate on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 3 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: With all this to manage how has she got the time to sit in Tynwald ? This is the job she is paid for she should concentrate on that. I thought she was on a C of E stipend? Could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 17 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: With all this to manage how has she got the time to sit in Tynwald ? As Stu Peters points out, there is more to being an MHK than sitting in Tynwald and saying "hear, hear". As a bishop she gets a vote, but does not have to bother with all the other responsibilities that MHKs have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dalby Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, 2112 said: However, if you are going to mess around with constitutional issues, as you have ‘beefs’ and ‘socialist’ tendencies’ you may as well go the whole hog and - Scrap Lego Create a new elected by the island voters, second chambers, instead of the present, where friends, family and cronies get the opportunity to run the island and enact laws. Elect a new Chief Minister by the voting general public after a general election. I am sure there are probably other issues which the GMP could get involved with which is democratic? At this moment in time, the island has real social, economic and financial issues affecting islanders, yet certain clowns are obsessed with supposed constitutional issues and tinkering around the edges. Why can we not just address the question of whether a religious appointee should have the right to legislate on its own merits without having to link it to other reforms? I suspect because those who have an emotional attachment to tradition and the church hope that by trying to bring in other issues it can be deflected into the long grass. Edited May 17 by Thomas Dalby Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Fred the shred said: The lady in question is still a lady in waiting until October but she was on MR this morning touting for a vote in Tynwald. It was done with charm but would she not be better employed getting some punters in the churches she will be taking responsibility for which are really depleted and those attending are elderly there are very few young people interested. She will also be responsible for the maintenance of the churches and cathedral which are fine buildings in their own right but not easy or cheap to run, heating and repairs must be a nightmare. With all this to manage how has she got the time to sit in Tynwald ? This is the job she is paid for she should concentrate on that. She's not responsible for the maintenance of any church fabric, not even the Cathedral. The parishioners/members & wardens (legally) are. Hence the endless fund-raising that goes on. But you're absolutely correct about maintenance costs, it is a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, P.K. said: I thought she was on a C of E stipend? Could be wrong. The stipend is paid from York, I think. Absolutely no cost to either Diocese or Tynwald. Been like that for yonks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I don't even know why she/the Church wants to be included in votes. Can anyone enlighten me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 10 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I don't even know why she/the Church wants to be included in votes. Can anyone enlighten me? It's a mystery, religious institutions have never sought power at any point in history... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 As I understand it Phantom its an historical hangover from a time when the Church did have considerable sway. Thus as an historical matter, the role should stay. There's no cost as salary and pension are funded by the Church and it does ensure that the god botherers are represented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HeliX said: It's a mystery, religious institutions have never sought power at any point in history... In history yeah, the church (and other religions) held significant power. Not anymore in Western Europe, in fact they are declining significantly. Plus it's one vote in 24 that's not really any kind of power. 10 minutes ago, piebaps said: As I understand it Phantom its an historical hangover from a time when the Church did have considerable sway. Thus as an historical matter, the role should stay. Ah right. Like the Horse trams, Peggy and Newson's. Edited May 17 by The Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 8 minutes ago, piebaps said: As I understand it Phantom its an historical hangover from a time when the Church did have considerable sway. Thus as an historical matter, the role should stay. There's no cost as salary and pension are funded by the Church and it does ensure that the god botherers are represented. To put it more bluntly, it is from a time when religion was used to control the population through fear and the threat of eternal damnation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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