asitis Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, WTF said: a kick in the head would be my option. Yes, but you would need to kick start their brains, and therefore the backside option may be closer to the mark ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/developer-offers-newsons-building-to-government-free-of-charge/ Is the reason that they won't accept the offer, because the plan that was rejected is in fact what is required? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 7 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/developer-offers-newsons-building-to-government-free-of-charge/ Is the reason that they won't accept the offer, because the plan that was rejected is in fact what is required? They won’t accept because it’s not appropriate as explained, I don’t agree with planning decision but as CB says it’s a listed building and can’t just be demolished because developers want to. I expect only way around it is for COMIN to say development is in national interest but I don’t think that’s the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 there has to be a compromise somewhere , it would be better to get the developer and the planners around the table and come up with a scheme that is acceptable otherwise its going to hold up the development of the whole of the North quay right up to Quine's corner up for years ,and the acrimony will just put any potential investors in the island off someone has to start to dig this problem out of the hole ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 35 minutes ago, Omobono said: there has to be a compromise somewhere , it would be better to get the developer and the planners around the table and come up with a scheme that is acceptable otherwise its going to hold up the development of the whole of the North quay right up to Quine's corner up for years ,and the acrimony will just put any potential investors in the island off someone has to start to dig this problem out of the hole ! According to MR the reason it was refused was because it involved demolition of a listed building. Not sure how you get round that other than incorporating the existing into the development. Quite how the designers thought they could get over that particular hurdle is perhaps they key point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 39 minutes ago, Omobono said: there has to be a compromise somewhere , it would be better to get the developer and the planners around the table and come up with a scheme that is acceptable otherwise its going to hold up the development of the whole of the North quay right up to Quine's corner up for years ,and the acrimony will just put any potential investors in the island off someone has to start to dig this problem out of the hole ! In a normal world this would be a good idea, sadly, we don’t live in a normal world, let alone dealing with normal people, who can think outside the box. Creative solutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Gladys said: According to MR the reason it was refused was because it involved demolition of a listed building. Not sure how you get round that other than incorporating the existing into the development. Quite how the designers thought they could get over that particular hurdle is perhaps they key point. what has happened in the past though ( not sure if the newsons building falls in to this ) is that non listed buildings that developers apply for planning permission for then suddenly become listed just because some one wants to stop the developer from changing something. edit; so the building became protected in 2018 , so for over 230 years it wasn't deemed worthy of protection , a developer gets involved and magically it is the most important thing ever and has to be kept. did they need planning permission for the large struts they have put up that look they they support the building ? Edited April 22 by WTF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chutney Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Isnt it usual on the rock for the developers to just agree to the keeping of the external structure a building then strip out the insides as part of the development. Usually at this point it accidently falls down and I make a quick couple of grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I suggest it now be rebranded the Newsance site on North Quay. If its so great as it is that it needs toi be preserved for the nation, why don't MNH take it on (after all it's literallty being given away) and stick the Peggy in it? Or the MDC, surely it'd be right up thier 15 min village street? The fact a developer is willing to walk away tells me that they understand the sunk costs fallacy and are willing to take the loss and walk away. If government did accept it, considering how long Summerland, Lord Street, the Horse Tram stables etc. have been festering it'd just become one more in a long list of forever projects. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Banker said: They won’t accept because it’s not appropriate as explained, I don’t agree with planning decision but as CB says it’s a listed building and can’t just be demolished because developers want to. I expect only way around it is for COMIN to say development is in national interest but I don’t think that’s the case here. When did it become listed? I feel this is a key part of this whole disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 it was on 13/04/2018. This complete list is here: https://www.gov.im/categories/planning-and-building-control/registered-buildings-and-conservation-areas/is-my-building-registered/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 36 minutes ago, Two-lane said: it was on 13/04/2018. This complete list is here: https://www.gov.im/categories/planning-and-building-control/registered-buildings-and-conservation-areas/is-my-building-registered/ and when did kell what ever buy it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 So how do you get a building de registered there must be a way surely. Perhaps a safety issue ? and why was this particular building registered in the first place it has been going downhill appearance wise for years. There is no thing as can’t be done if the will is there there is always a way around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 7 minutes ago, WTF said: and when did kell what ever buy it ? June 2016. They will have then spent a lot of time and money having the plans drawn up for planning application December 18 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, WTF said: and when did kell what ever buy it ? 2016 for £750k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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