UK Immigration changes = IOM Opportunity?

[Passing Time]

7 hours ago, Cueey Lewis And The News said:

Oh dear angry billy bullshit has woken up again. 

You’re already awake…

[Kopek]

Nosferatu???

[quilp]

13 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Or Irish Immigration.

To be sure. 

[Sign in]

14 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

Looking for a better job in opposition after the election. Odious creep.

Probably already on his platter? Global Immigration Director

[Kopek]

It's difficult to imagine a system whereby an health care immigrant could travel through the UK to the Island for a salary less than the UK requirement ( or maybe if we should???). For specifically Manx employment!

If there were such a means, then why should we not take advantage of such? OK, there maybe a few thousand quid lacking in the wages but that maybe an acceptable dip to many who would wish to come here?

As far as dependents are concerned, as long as it is not great grand kids or cousins then it could work?

Of course, there would have to be an understanding that a Manx job does not give access to the UK market and if they were to move there they would be subject to UK regulations???

[John Wright]

23 minutes ago, Harry Lamb said:

Looking for a better job in opposition after the election. Odious creep

To be in opposition you’ve got to come second. Stronger chance every day that the Tories won’t, and will implode after the election, if they don’t beforehand.

19 minutes ago, Kopek said:

Hardly! Looking for a new post in a far right Tory Govt more likely?

That won’t be in the next Parliament. No chance.

[Kopek]

One would hope!

[Major Rushen]

To get to IOM you have to pass the immigration gate at U.K. or Ireland. 

[Banker]

Recruiting for care sector would worsen if new immigration rules are brought in like some posters want 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/recruitment-to-care-sector-a-constant-demand/

[manxman8180]

16 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Correct .

Although it isn't correct in the sense suggested in this thread a few times.  Yes, the Border is the CTA (so UK or Eire etc.) where any physical / digital check takes place on a person's right to enter.  But the decision to issue a Visa for certain routes is taken in the IoM, against the requirements of the IoM Rules at the time.

So can someone 'enter' the IoM for work on a lesser salary threshold than the UK - the answer is unequivocally yes. 

Are they subject to the same requirements (i.e. Health Surcharge)? - No.

Does the IoM have to follow the new UK rules (salary, surcharge, dependents on certain visas etc.) - it's a No again.....

[Roger Mexico]

20 hours ago, manxman8180 said:

Or rather not indeed at all.  IoM has it's own Immigration Rules and in respect of workers etc - there are some fundamental differences to the UK equivalent routes.

Technically the Island does have its own rules, all 900-odd pages of them.  But in practice these are dictated by London and almost entirely follows their rules.  There are odd exceptions allowed where an Island-specific scheme is allowed, most recently the "Worker (Seasonal) Migrant route" one.  Though I see that has recently been closed to new applicants, which suggests it was either a flop or subject to abuse (or indeed both),

[manxman8180]

1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said:

Technically the Island does have its own rules, all 900-odd pages of them.  But in practice these are dictated by London and almost entirely follows their rules.  There are odd exceptions allowed where an Island-specific scheme is allowed, most recently the "Worker (Seasonal) Migrant route" one.  Though I see that has recently been closed to new applicants, which suggests it was either a flop or subject to abuse (or indeed both),

You are usually very well informed and I enjoy your posts....but I suggest you look closer at the differences, specifically those for workers and business.  There are significant differences in terms of the roles covered, salary rates etc....including the absolute minimum.

The suggestion that entry to the Isle of Man is dependent on UK rules (and thresholds etc.) is wholly incorrect.

[Gladys]

10 minutes ago, manxman8180 said:

Although it isn't correct in the sense suggested in this thread a few times.  Yes, the Border is the CTA (so UK or Eire etc.) where any physical / digital check takes place on a person's right to enter.  But the decision to issue a Visa for certain routes is taken in the IoM, against the requirements of the IoM Rules at the time.

So can someone 'enter' the IoM for work on a lesser salary threshold than the UK - the answer is unequivocally yes. 

Are they subject to the same requirements (i.e. Health Surcharge)? - No.

Does the IoM have to follow the new UK rules (salary, surcharge, dependents on certain visas etc.) - it's a No again.....

So, if some decides to emigrate to the IOM do they not have to satisfy UK/ Eire immigration requirements first before they then proceed to the IOM? Or do they obtain an IOM visa before entry to the CTA which then allows them to enter UK/Eire and they cannot remain in the UK/Eire on the strength of the IOM visa?

Genuine question. 

[manxman8180]

8 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So, if some decides to emigrate to the IOM do they not have to satisfy UK/ Eire immigration requirements first before they then proceed to the IOM? Or do they obtain an IOM visa before entry to the CTA which then allows them to enter UK/Eire and they cannot remain in the UK/Eire on the strength of the IOM visa?

Genuine question. 

Correct on the first part.  

So a Visa application for the IoM will be assessed against the IoM Rules.  Now some of these will be similar / the same, but for work and business the IoM has different requirements - and the application is made through the UKVI online system (so some of the basic checks are undertaken at that point) but then the application ends up in the IoM and a decision made in the IoM.

Visa issued - this allows entry to the IoM (which of course involves entry through the UK Border and then they are inside the CTA.  For IoM Work Visas they can't use that to work in the UK, but they are free (within the CTA) to travel etc.

[Banker]

21 minutes ago, manxman8180 said:

Correct on the first part.  

So a Visa application for the IoM will be assessed against the IoM Rules.  Now some of these will be similar / the same, but for work and business the IoM has different requirements - and the application is made through the UKVI online system (so some of the basic checks are undertaken at that point) but then the application ends up in the IoM and a decision made in the IoM.

Visa issued - this allows entry to the IoM (which of course involves entry through the UK Border and then they are inside the CTA.  For IoM Work Visas they can't use that to work in the UK, but they are free (within the CTA) to travel etc.

Yes I know a few South Africans who have relocated and they still need visas to visit many countries eg Europe, once here 5 years they can then apply for passport which will give them same travel rights as any other local passport holder