Child Safety in Schools

[Ghost Ship]

5 hours ago, Passing Time said:

Obviously never been caned by "Hitler Holroyd" or Frank Luckman... nobody went for a repeat of that

 

5 hours ago, HeliX said:

But it did teach them that hitting people is acceptable if you feel they've earned it.

 

4 hours ago, HeliX said:

Corporal punishment teaches children that hitting people is fine if you think they deserve it. Because that's what corporal punishment is.

Back in the early '70s during Holroyd's time at Ballakermeen two of the more pre-eminent thugs were one Priestnall and one Duggan.

Over the course of a week (or it might even have been a couple of days) they both got the shit kicked out of them in two separate fights by one particular individual who they'd been bullying and picking on.  Although this lad (let's call him "Pete"  ) was a reasonable size, he was extrememly mild-mannered, quite shy and diffident.  He did however "larn" the bullies to be a bit more careful about who they picked on in future.

The teachers - who must have known what was going on for both fights because of the noise - basically didn't intervene or do anything at all.  I think they'd decided that as the bullies didn't respond as they should have to frequent episodes of corporal punishment, it might be better to leave it to another pupil to teach them a lesson.

[Blade Runner]

Basically kids are assholes to each other

'Twas always so

Now they can do it 24/7

It is part of growing up and teaches you how IOM CS works (without the beatings)

 

 

[TheTeapot]

I've just been to parents evening and am pleased to report that my child is not one of the naughty ones 

[A fool and his money.....]

10 hours ago, Anthony Ingham said:

Bullying is awful.

It was rife when I was at school 49 years ago.

There's no denying that bullying is a dreadful thing. Although to be fair, you can see where the other kids were coming from on that one.

[Anthony Ingham]

11 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

There's no denying that bullying is a dreadful thing. Although to be fair, you can see where the other kids were coming from on that one.

I was never bullied.

If anything, and it’s certainly not something I am proud of, I should have stood up more for some of the poor kids who were but got dragged along with the crowd to some extent and back then wasn’t brave enough to stand out and stand up and be counted.  

Edited April 24 by Anthony Ingham

[manxman1980]

8 hours ago, WTF said:

back in my day the teachers were in a position to be physical with the bullys and the truth is 'pain' is a great educator so i would suspect aggressive kids these days have less to fear regarding physical reprisals .

Did it stop bullying?  No.

8 hours ago, WTF said:

 

the social media bullying i don't actually get , if someone is sending you nasty messages block them or avoid that platform , it may not be as simplistic as i'm thinking it is but i don't get why it can't be avoided, 

Its not just the direct interaction.   Its spreading rumours or lies about someone online.

They can also now use digitally manipulated pictures to further bully someone of humiliate them.

Blocking the perpetrator doesn't stop them posting and commenting amongst others in the same school.

[Passing Time]

My parents moved to the island in the mid 60’s as my mum was Manx. Coming from Liverpool, I was amazed how the local kids considered themselves tough and small gangs regularly bullied kids. I spent probably the first 6 months fighting these nomarks. I despised bullying then and still do to this day 

[WTF]

4 hours ago, HeliX said:

Yeah and nobody has been killed by walking out in front of a car twice, doesn't make it an especially reasonable way to teach kids the green cross code.

i didn't say it was reasonable ,  as the saying goes, there's always a bigger fish 

[Tree Man 88]

Apologies for not replying, one of my children has been the victim of some continued issues and I've been spending time with them as well as sending emails with regards to the issue. 

Schools have varying approaches from a complete clampdown on all behaviours to a more restorative approach involving conversations about the incidents and an informal plan going forward. 

As usual a mixture of both with some hard non negotiatables would be the best approach along with a nuanced approach looking at individual students. Putting on draconian measure for all students when 10% are causing the issue seems unfair. 

What it needs is this issue taking seriously and the appropriate staffing numbers/faciliites and training put in place.

Telling the children to fight back is just encouraging a culture of violence and not all children like to be violent and nor should they be.

Physical assault results in trauma and this can't be allowed to happen to our children.

[Amadeus]

15 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

Basically kids are assholes to each other

'Twas always so

Now they can do it 24/7

It is part of growing up and teaches you how IOM CS works (without the beatings)

 

 

We did all sorts of shit in school. Pranks, fights, etc. We were just lucky Facebook and tiktok didn't exist yet, and we also knew where the line was. Apart from maybe one or two school screw ups who couldn't be helped.

[Tree Man 88]

Definitely all the evidence is there now and there are a group of kids who lure other ones to a location, film the fight and then put it online. It's a whole new ballgame which nobody is ready to address and solve.

 

[The Phantom]

15 hours ago, Ghost Ship said:

 

 

Back in the early '70s during Holroyd's time at Ballakermeen two of the more pre-eminent thugs were one Priestnall and one Duggan.

Over the course of a week (or it might even have been a couple of days) they both got the shit kicked out of them in two separate fights by one particular individual who they'd been bullying and picking on.  Although this lad (let's call him "Pete"  ) was a reasonable size, he was extrememly mild-mannered, quite shy and diffident.  He did however "larn" the bullies to be a bit more careful about who they picked on in future.

The teachers - who must have known what was going on for both fights because of the noise - basically didn't intervene or do anything at all.  I think they'd decided that as the bullies didn't respond as they should have to frequent episodes of corporal punishment, it might be better to leave it to another pupil to teach them a lesson.

I was bullied for a bit and you know when it stopped?  When I eventually fought back. 

Not dissimilar to the above, one of them was a renowned scally scumbag.  One teacher saw it going down and shall we say, let me continue for a bit longer than you'd expect.  Following on when I was dragged to his office, he only gave me a light bollocking because he said he had to, but also commended me and said 'he had it coming'. 

Unfortunately it really is the only way to stop it.  Of course this was physical bullying rather than psychological.  Kicking the shit out of your tormentor probably wouldn't be accepted in those instances. 

[Shake me up Judy]

Where it's deserved, a good pasting is the best lesson some kids, and some adults, ever receive. The pain and humiliation usually sorts them out, gives them the socialisation and self-awareness they lack and puts them on a better path. It's part of human learning and it's been that way since time began.   

[The Phantom]

4 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Where it's deserved, a good pasting is the best lesson some kids, and some adults, ever receive. The pain and humiliation usually sorts them out, gives them the socialisation and self-awareness they lack and puts them on a better path. It's part of human learning and it's been that way since time began.   

Oddly enough (or maybe not) the renowned scally scumbag and I, actually got on ok quite well after that incident, as did the rest of the renowned scally scumbags.  Still to this day actually when I bump into them when they're doing scaffolding, I'll stop and have a chat, find out when they were last in jail. 

[Tree Man 88]

I had a minor issue and in the flavour of the day I hit the kid back, he lost a couple of teeth and that was that. I was an IOM junior sportsman in various sports so in rugby particularly my prowess for tackling hard meant I didn't get too much stick.

Despite this it has to be accepted that some children are that physically strong and aren't violent. Do we allow they to be bullied physically or turn them violent? 

A culture of physical aggression and violence just isn't intelligent or what should be developed. I get it, but it just has to stop. Blows to the head especially can cause long term damage.